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hello and welcome to the show and Martin

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will assure host and Tonight Show we

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have a Dian Testament coming up in just

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a minute but at first a few things we

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actually had to switch Dave Marlar he

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was supposed to be on tonight but he had

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a work commitment so we had to swap him

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out for next week so we can look forward

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to that next week on March 3rd Dave

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Marla will be here then so I just wanted

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to say a few things over the last week

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I've had a lot of communication with a

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lot of my supporters and I have to say

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I'm a very fortunate man I want to thank

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you all for such kind words and your

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continued support it really means a lot

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to me and I do appreciate all the

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listeners and anyone can support the

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show that doesn't now you can go over to

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patreon that link is on our website

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podcast UFO calm and while you're over

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there we also have a Facebook page

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connected to that there's a icon on the

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sidebar and this I think 22,000 people

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on that page there's a lot going on over

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there if you want to check that out our

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latest blog is the second one on the

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same topic by Charles Lear

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it's called the Kelly Kentucky UFO

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goblins part 2 and as I said last week

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that case is well I don't know what word

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you want to call it a humdinger of an

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unexplained case all different types of

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weird things happen and if you're new

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looking into this topic and you've never

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heard of that go check out the blog's

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the two blogs over there at podcast UFO

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calm a couple things in the UFO news

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several days ago I get a number of

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emails from listeners pretty excited

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about a cone-shaped UFO that was filmed

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by NASA at the International Space

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Station you can see that online I'm not

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really sure I'm not going to say well I

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guess right now it is an unidentified

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flying object but I know that you know

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they launched

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cube SATs before and people thought they

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were you know UFOs and all that you know

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what I'm getting at is there it may be

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something explainable and I would just

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keep an eye on that we may find out in

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the future what that was or maybe it

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will continue to be a UFO and if I find

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out anything about that maybe I'll

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mention something next week if new

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evidence comes along to the answer for

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what that is it may already be answered

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but I couldn't find anything myself

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so our friends over at the drive the war

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zone the drive

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Tyler rogue away has been on this show

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but his co-author over there have has

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written a great story about the

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continuation of the Colorado mystery

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drones and we've talked about that a few

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times then the author of this article is

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Brett tinguely and he put out a story

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yesterday that emails obtained through a

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that security forces and officials at Fe

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Warren Air Force Base were just as

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perplexed with the drones as the public

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is so in conclusion this may not have

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for those drones were they may not be

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military drones after all so check out

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that story over at the dr.com

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tonight's guest a dyin testament in the

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mid-1970s Diane was a field investigator

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with the aerial phenomena research

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organization April and Florida State

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section director for MUFON but anyway

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talking about her books called future

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humans and UFOs time for new thinking

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Diane welcome to the show I'm pleased to

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be here and you are in we were talking

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just before the show you are in you're

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in the middle of the country you're in

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the Iowa yes I'm on the border in

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Minnesota but I'm in Iowa uh-huh and

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you're in corn country fields and fields

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that's what I remember in I'm not going

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to get it right off the bat and ask

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about crop circles but eventually that

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might come up okay so can you tell the

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listening audience out there a little

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bit about yourself yes well I was a

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Thomas Virgin Islands in Florida I had

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always been interested in UFOs for a

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personal reason I had two encounters

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when I was quite young I guess you could

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they were not super frightening or super

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at the Stars and wondering and when I

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teaching there was a recession on and

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storms and other things that have

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unfortunately come true but I've always

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speculative side of things too

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and I have written a book future humans

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and the UFOs that is logical and science

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speculation it's not spiritual as

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looked into Celts shamanism and Irish

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herbal medicine lived in giant rock

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current California for two years

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actually Joshua Tree but giant rock was

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nearby and that's where George Van

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the et's down and that was in the 50s

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there in the later 90s but that is an

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strange things going on there so I've

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lived in interesting places and I came

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back came back to my native Iowa for my

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encounters took place 23 years ago

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natural as the Lakota perhaps would have

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refuge yeah and three big dogs that are

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of it but I have 51 cats currently you

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say that one more time I must have

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misunderstood you they're not all in the

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house I have a new cabin as well for the

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sanctuary and then every season but

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winter I've got 10 acres for him so this

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county has no shelter

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so people dump them here ice pain odor

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and the other one shows up and for 22

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my life I've actually enjoyed it and I

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get donations from people mostly who

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read still read my spiritual newsletters

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which are still going on even though

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I've written a more objective book now

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well I can tell you're a kind person

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about a sanctuary there for these cats I

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do have to make an announcement though

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because of Bobby and the chatroom

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they had explained that that filming

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maybe a lot of people have been thinking

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it's a UFO and now they know that it's

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not any longer a UFO it was a cube sat

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deployment so so you had it you had what

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you think was a an abduction experience

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was the Golden Age of abductions

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abduction right now that's alright I'll

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talk for a minute you go ahead go ahead

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just don't get abducted just make sure

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you come back ok I'll be right back all

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right okay all right everyone so yeah

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that's a little embarrassing that I went

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ahead with the story actually did look

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for about 15 minutes online to see if I

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might even one of your cats or something

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but oh very good

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so right before you went to answer you

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were talking about we had to - of what

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young and so go ahead the first one at

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age 4 I have been regressed with dr. Leo

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Leo sprinkle and had was hypnotically

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regressed but I have a few conscious

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memories of that and I was the conscious

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memories are I was sitting on an

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earthlike park bench this man sat down

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swinging off the bench because I it was

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taller than my legs were and I was watch

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a hologram like seeing a swirling it

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theaters when they used to show

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different colored lights that kept going

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across before the film started pastel

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colors swirling and I now wonder if

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maybe that kept me calm because I never

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freaked out I was that kind of a little

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kid I was an observer I was smart but I

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I just sat there and I don't know why I

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wasn't more scared he spoke to me

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probably in telepathy but I'm not sure

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of that and the words that I I think he

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told me quite a bit but the words that I

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remember is we are from your future now

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I know he could have been lying he could

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have been a shape-shifter or something

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like that but I have spent my life both

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objectively and subjectively looking

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into this scene you know trying to to

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figure out was he telling the truth and

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my conclusion in this book is that he

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probably was but that isn't what I based

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the books logic on that's just my

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personal feeling and then there was a

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second abduction that I don't we I

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haven't been regressed on hypnotic with

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hypnosis and all I remember is that we

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went up to Eagle Lake Ontario and there

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are a lot of UFOs around the Canadian

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lakes we being my family we were going

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to have a family get-together with uncle

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and aunt and there are two boys and mom

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left me alone in the cabin which was

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kind of unusual and this same man came

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in the door rather quickly I was I was

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alone and he said do you remember are

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you scared

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are you afraid and I said no and he said

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do you remember me I said yes and that's

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the last I know of that one I have no

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recollection of any

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of it but my would be proof I wouldn't

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you know stake my life on it but I am

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missing that entire membrane that's

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between your gum and your your inside of

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your upper lip sometimes they slit it

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I've researched all this when a baby's

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they'll they'll slit it but this is just

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old fooling around with makeup and it

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was on the outside I noticed a very thin

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scar and I thought what did I hurt

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myself on my tricycle but when did this

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happen my parents both very attentive

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said no they didn't know and I asked him

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separately and together I asked a

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plastic surgeon once and he says well it

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looks like a laser scar well this was

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1952

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I figured I'd it was actually inside

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that was the missing part and it showed

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through or somehow made a small scar on

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the outside so you know even if there is

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a mundane reason for that to me my

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abductions are still valid I mean you

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know other people have abductions

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without evidence that is that clear but

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anyway I that's something that is I feel

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like well you know it's right the

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evidence is right under your nose was a

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message that I can kind of receive and

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I've always been driven to I've always

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favored the idea of time-travelers being

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either the total answer to UFO occupants

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or perhaps ETS or other dimensionals I'm

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not sure what other dimensionals means

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it's not really a scientific people

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always say well it could be other

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dimensionals but you know ETS could

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visit us I'm

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not saying they don't but I have to

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smile when people sort of resist the

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time traveller the future human idea

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they believe so easily that some

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something from a far far distant planet

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well of course it's here but they're not

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as easily I don't know if they think we

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didn't go on if we became extinct but if

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we do go on we're gonna make strides in

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science we're making huge strides right

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now in science this is the Golden Age

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they say of science not spiritual

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but science so you know I don't know

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quite why it's such people resisted that

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it's future humans and to me there is a

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lot of logic that it is well you know I

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I wonder about that as well you know for

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instance you know you're mentioning

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perhaps you know future time travelers

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or whatever I've I've thought about that

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you know you got to think also that 99%

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of species on this planet have gone

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extinct and you know the way we're

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heading is not too pretty

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I don't think but and there's a large

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amount of extinctions much higher it's

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incredible per year right now I forget

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how many species are gone per year but

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it's a lot it's kind of scary right now

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but you I saw in your book you have a

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chapter I believe on Michael dr. Michael

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masters in his yes yeah he's a he's a

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past guest and actually we communicate a

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bit here and there he's he's a funny guy

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nice guy I do too I agree yeah we do too

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I just had an email from him yeah he

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I've got a whole chapter that is his and

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a whole chapter of Jacques Pele and a

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whole chapter of Jax are fighting what

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Mike masters who is the fun an

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evolutionary anthropologist and several

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other titles and he's an academic and

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and a big tech university yeah he says

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the ubiquity the the Communists or the

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number of reports describing humanoid

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and human-like individuals is

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overwhelming

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and and I bring that up to I've got a

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list that Richard Hall made way back in

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the 60s and 70s and I actually dated

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Richard Hall he was much older I got

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some UFO secrets he was the new fund

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editor of new mule fund journal editor

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and he edited UFO evidence that is still

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well thought of anyway back to Mike

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masters he says taking into

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consideration their reported relative

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humanists it is highly improbable that

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another planet with different gravity

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different chemistry distance from its

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Sun would ever it and so forth there's

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more differences would ever develop

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bipedal humanoid life that would look

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act and talk so much like us or that it

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would they would arise on a planet near

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enough to allow for mutual contact and

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communication you know we're used to

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thinking of aliens those are Hollywood

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actors that are humans playing them but

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then the UFO field comes up with tall

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Nordics and and golden humans now the

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guy I met a guy I was a probably a

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golden human he had amber colored eyes

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that were almost translucent and outside

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of that he was apparently human I don't

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know if it was artificial intelligence

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or what but anyway on on with what Mike

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said I keep interrupting Mike here

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furthermore given the tremendously long

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history in the universe it's highly

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improbable that such a civilization

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would arise at the same time as us be so

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much like us but also have just slightly

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more advanced technology that happens to

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be so similar to our own the Tic Tacs

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and the jet planes

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very different and yet kind of playing a

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game of Top Gun with each other when you

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think of how different some machine from

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a far distant planet might be the Tic

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Tacs to me they're raising a lot of the

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time-traveller interest right now

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because they do somehow seem sort of

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familiar so the final thing for Mike

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Masters in thinking about the

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statistical improbability of this

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scenario we must ask whether

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hybridization hybridization would be

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possible with such coincidental ET

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aliens we can't produce with our closest

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living relative which is the chimpanzee

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with whom we share 98.7 percent of our

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DNA and so it seems unfathomable that we

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could ever produce with the women ET

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from an entirely different distant

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planet I understand I understand what

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you're saying you know you could argue

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some of what Michael you were quoting

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some of the things he said you know

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evolutionary you look at other species

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that have evolved I know you know the

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different gravities and things I do

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understand different type of species

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would evolve different ways and things

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like that but you know you have a lot of

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not not bipedal but you have quadrupeds

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and you have the two eyes two ears

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everything is made for dimensional work

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and survival and things like that so I

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don't know I think you know two eyes two

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ears that type of thing works in a lot

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of evolution but but it is it is

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interesting too

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you know one of the things you also said

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is that the timing the timing is

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something that a lot of people or I

429
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wouldn't think about but it really is I

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mean the timing of how something evolves

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and to right now you know like I talked

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about earlier as so many things have

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become a

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stanked a lot of civilizations probably

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have never made it you know to a high

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level to a higher level of intelligence

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or maybe they have but at so many

438
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different times this could have happened

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because you know we're young planet for

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one thing so yeah it's all fascinating

441
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it is it's fun - yeah it's it's one of

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those things that it's really

443
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interesting to go into and it hasn't

444
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really been thought of as far as the

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future humans it isn't a very popular

446
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subject

447
00:23:06,610 --> 00:23:02,840
I guess it's had it's risen and fallen

448
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again throughout ufology but in recent

449
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years it hasn't

450
00:23:12,730 --> 00:23:09,860
Jacque really was actually kind of

451
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persecuted for coming for saying well it

452
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could be something closer to Earth

453
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that's in the UFO hmm that's right so we

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are at our first break we're actually

455
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going to go into a real break at this

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time and we'll be right back right after

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these messages and welcome back I'm

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Martin Willis your host and my guest

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tonight's Dianne Testament and we were

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talking just before we went into break

461
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Diane about extinction and Michael dr.

462
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Michael masters thoughts and you know I

463
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do understand why someone would think a

464
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couple different things and I've said it

465
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a number of times in the show don't want

466
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to be too redundant but you know why

467
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would we be so special that we'd be

468
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visited um if there are so many

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possibilities of intelligent life out

470
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there mathematically you know what makes

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us special enough one person I mentioned

472
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that to said water water is is rare to

473
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have as much as we do and maybe I don't

474
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know but it's not it's not that rare

475
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look at all the moons of Saturn and

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therefore even Pluto has an ocean I mean

477
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you'd have to get to it through the eyes

478
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but it water seems to be amazingly in

479
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the solar system more than we thought it

480
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was again not quite as lovely as Earth

481
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and is available and it's really a

482
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puzzle how

483
00:24:45,940 --> 00:24:44,360
how it got here - you know possible

484
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comets they don't really know exactly

485
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how water arrived here Sheriff but it's

486
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here in abundance 70 some-odd percent of

487
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the planet pretty amazing right yeah

488
00:25:05,070 --> 00:24:58,250
yeah so what what made you decide to

489
00:25:08,860 --> 00:25:05,080
write this book in general my years of

490
00:25:15,220 --> 00:25:08,870
being a UFO investigator my years of

491
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chasing UFOs with friends and just it

492
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changed my life

493
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when I was so young that it probably did

494
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make me a different person I've never

495
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really had the same goals as many people

496
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or many women have but I've had a very

497
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adventuresome life having moved to

498
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Ireland and on a shoestring and you know

499
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all that is somehow connected and it

500
00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:43,039
just suddenly seemed to be time and the

501
00:25:50,230 --> 00:25:46,610
book kind of wrote itself it it wrote

502
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very quickly and I was so pleased when

503
00:25:56,200 --> 00:25:53,299
film an old said well let's do it I had

504
00:26:00,580 --> 00:25:56,210
I'd proposed another book sort of a

505
00:26:03,159 --> 00:26:00,590
biography to him and he says well no I'm

506
00:26:06,340 --> 00:26:03,169
sorry I don't think so so a couple

507
00:26:09,759 --> 00:26:06,350
months later I came back and I I thought

508
00:26:13,450 --> 00:26:09,769
why haven't I really said that I'll do

509
00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:13,460
this book before this is my my topic

510
00:26:20,620 --> 00:26:16,250
really this is my book and he says well

511
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let's do it so it's the right time with

512
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that old time again it's time is

513
00:26:29,379 --> 00:26:27,649
involved yeah yeah let's let's go let's

514
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a rewind a little bit into your

515
00:26:33,730 --> 00:26:31,309
background if that's okay with you I

516
00:26:36,519 --> 00:26:33,740
want to talk about we do have a lot of

517
00:26:38,980 --> 00:26:36,529
new listeners to this show and a lot of

518
00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:38,990
them may not be familiar with the aerial

519
00:26:44,100 --> 00:26:41,690
phenomenon research organization a pro

520
00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:44,110
can you talk about about that

521
00:26:50,820 --> 00:26:47,330
organization and what it was like yeah

522
00:26:54,030 --> 00:26:50,830
it Jim and coral Lorenzen

523
00:26:56,850 --> 00:26:54,040
husband-and-wife team in Arizona

524
00:27:01,380 --> 00:26:56,860
ran it and they were known for doing

525
00:27:05,190 --> 00:27:01,390
really good investigations and at that

526
00:27:07,890 --> 00:27:05,200
time MUFON was just it wasn't what it is

527
00:27:11,370 --> 00:27:07,900
now it was smaller but it was kind of

528
00:27:17,130 --> 00:27:11,380
still the the main one and then a pro

529
00:27:21,860 --> 00:27:17,140
was was sort of the I don't want to say

530
00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:21,870
more respected but the a little bit more

531
00:27:29,490 --> 00:27:26,010
painstaking and close more closely

532
00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:29,500
shepherded along by coral and Jim then

533
00:27:37,140 --> 00:27:33,250
MUFON was and I was state section

534
00:27:39,870 --> 00:27:37,150
director with MUFON for only about two

535
00:27:43,460 --> 00:27:39,880
years in Florida and then moved to

536
00:27:48,150 --> 00:27:43,470
California so that that ended that but

537
00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:48,160
move on with or a pro was very demanding

538
00:27:53,780 --> 00:27:50,770
as to what you know how to investigate

539
00:27:56,670 --> 00:27:53,790
and to get the arc of the sky right

540
00:28:00,210 --> 00:27:56,680
where the UFO where the person at what

541
00:28:03,180 --> 00:28:00,220
arc was it and and which was always a

542
00:28:06,810 --> 00:28:03,190
pain in the neck to me because I know

543
00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:06,820
not all that technical but yeah there

544
00:28:16,460 --> 00:28:11,770
were some interesting cases do you

545
00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:20,550
why I kind of like to mention one that

546
00:28:25,380 --> 00:28:22,810
that's strange with my brother this

547
00:28:27,570 --> 00:28:25,390
wasn't an a pro case but I kind of want

548
00:28:31,380 --> 00:28:27,580
to get it in because it's kind of food

549
00:28:33,810 --> 00:28:31,390
for thought at the time I was abducted

550
00:28:38,070 --> 00:28:33,820
my my brother was 10 years older than me

551
00:28:41,790 --> 00:28:38,080
so I was four he would have been 14 and

552
00:28:45,710 --> 00:28:41,800
my mother said don't go into Norman's

553
00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:45,720
room he's got a baseball bat and a knife

554
00:28:53,090 --> 00:28:49,570
he wasn't like that usually he didn't

555
00:28:57,210 --> 00:28:53,100
have you know tons of nightmares he and

556
00:29:01,350 --> 00:28:57,220
when when we talked to Norman or when my

557
00:29:04,980 --> 00:29:01,360
parents did he said three little men he

558
00:29:07,529 --> 00:29:04,990
named him oh ho and Poe were chasing him

559
00:29:10,009 --> 00:29:07,539
and and he bought that in he

560
00:29:15,149 --> 00:29:10,019
14 and yet he bought it into his waking

561
00:29:17,310 --> 00:29:15,159
day to defend himself and it had been he

562
00:29:19,499 --> 00:29:17,320
called it a nightmare or ongoing

563
00:29:21,919 --> 00:29:19,509
nightmare now I don't think it was

564
00:29:25,499 --> 00:29:21,929
ongoing even I think he had one or two

565
00:29:27,719 --> 00:29:25,509
nightmares and felt he had to arm

566
00:29:33,060 --> 00:29:27,729
himself in the daytime and I have

567
00:29:37,499 --> 00:29:33,070
wondered if perhaps the same get to know

568
00:29:40,489 --> 00:29:37,509
the North I was human kid a group of ETS

569
00:29:44,489 --> 00:29:40,499
or future humans or whoever they were

570
00:29:47,609 --> 00:29:44,499
had tried to abduct Norman and it just

571
00:29:51,839 --> 00:29:47,619
didn't it didn't go as well as it did

572
00:29:54,719 --> 00:29:51,849
with me I tried to talk to norm as an

573
00:29:58,139 --> 00:29:54,729
adult we weren't real close but we we

574
00:30:01,619 --> 00:29:58,149
talked a couple of times and he didn't

575
00:30:06,589 --> 00:30:01,629
seem interested at all in UFOs

576
00:30:10,289 --> 00:30:06,599
maybe he protested too much but the only

577
00:30:13,529 --> 00:30:10,299
UFO he could interesting thing he could

578
00:30:18,180 --> 00:30:13,539
come up with as an adult was that he was

579
00:30:21,710 --> 00:30:18,190
hiking with his son near Las Vegas on a

580
00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:21,720
mountain and they saw very vivid clear

581
00:30:29,479 --> 00:30:25,690
saucer-shaped UFO and shortly thereafter

582
00:30:33,989 --> 00:30:29,489
his son was murdered his son was 41 and

583
00:30:36,899 --> 00:30:33,999
champion kayaker and went out just to

584
00:30:39,570 --> 00:30:36,909
practice and was found a couple months

585
00:30:43,009 --> 00:30:39,580
later he'd been hit on the head his body

586
00:30:47,369 --> 00:30:43,019
was found under the lakeshore so it was

587
00:30:50,099 --> 00:30:47,379
I guess that you know for Norman if the

588
00:30:53,159 --> 00:30:50,109
UFO was an omen or something he never

589
00:30:57,659 --> 00:30:53,169
had a very very good experience with

590
00:30:59,879 --> 00:30:57,669
UFOs yes but I have wondered if that was

591
00:31:03,269 --> 00:30:59,889
connected to mine because it had

592
00:31:06,239 --> 00:31:03,279
sometimes contact your abduction does

593
00:31:07,379 --> 00:31:06,249
run in families my mom didn't even

594
00:31:10,859 --> 00:31:07,389
believe in ghosts

595
00:31:13,950 --> 00:31:10,869
she was totally non believer in anything

596
00:31:16,139 --> 00:31:13,960
like that and dad never said very much I

597
00:31:19,379 --> 00:31:16,149
don't really know he was would have been

598
00:31:21,060 --> 00:31:19,389
more open maybe but huh so you never

599
00:31:26,730 --> 00:31:21,070
talked about it with your father

600
00:31:30,450 --> 00:31:26,740
I know he was North Iowa German Lutheran

601
00:31:33,779 --> 00:31:30,460
and he was kind of that way he was a

602
00:31:36,659 --> 00:31:33,789
nice guy but that generation - they

603
00:31:40,649 --> 00:31:36,669
don't didn't talk too much about their

604
00:31:43,379 --> 00:31:40,659
feelings or anything like that so when

605
00:31:45,779 --> 00:31:43,389
this when this going going back to your

606
00:31:47,310 --> 00:31:45,789
experience when you were so young did

607
00:31:52,590 --> 00:31:47,320
you have anyone you could talk to about

608
00:31:55,049 --> 00:31:52,600
it no and I didn't talk to the family

609
00:31:58,139 --> 00:31:55,059
about it at that time

610
00:32:01,230 --> 00:31:58,149
it was kind of a dysfunctional family to

611
00:32:03,810 --> 00:32:01,240
be honest dad had a drinking problem

612
00:32:06,509 --> 00:32:03,820
both my parents were college graduates

613
00:32:07,289 --> 00:32:06,519
of University of Iowa it was a second

614
00:32:09,090 --> 00:32:07,299
marriage

615
00:32:14,279 --> 00:32:09,100
my brother had come from Mom's first

616
00:32:16,669 --> 00:32:14,289
marriage and she was extremely emotional

617
00:32:20,039 --> 00:32:16,679
and controlling and they argued so much

618
00:32:23,009 --> 00:32:20,049
that I was basically an only child

619
00:32:26,249 --> 00:32:23,019
Norman 10 years older was out of the

620
00:32:31,740 --> 00:32:26,259
house when he was 17 he left so I was

621
00:32:35,519 --> 00:32:31,750
seven and I I maybe one reason I haven't

622
00:32:38,450 --> 00:32:35,529
been felt a victim of the abductions was

623
00:32:43,310 --> 00:32:38,460
that I kind of incorporated them into my

624
00:32:47,399 --> 00:32:43,320
private world I suppose when I was 6 7

625
00:32:50,310 --> 00:32:47,409
or 7 I had invisible playmates they are

626
00:32:54,119 --> 00:32:50,320
not playmates for a presence I called

627
00:32:56,549 --> 00:32:54,129
the remembers read - member and they

628
00:33:01,139 --> 00:32:56,559
never they were only around when I was

629
00:33:03,899 --> 00:33:01,149
outside which was a lot I walked we had

630
00:33:07,169 --> 00:33:03,909
this acreage and I was not this one but

631
00:33:10,919 --> 00:33:07,179
close by actually and I would walk with

632
00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:10,929
the dogs all over the place and that was

633
00:33:16,049 --> 00:33:12,970
my world and the parents would be in

634
00:33:21,509 --> 00:33:16,059
there arguing in the house they loved me

635
00:33:25,340 --> 00:33:21,519
but I I started took it unto myself and

636
00:33:27,629 --> 00:33:25,350
and and sort of made up my own I suppose

637
00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:27,639
which is an odd thing to have done

638
00:33:34,630 --> 00:33:31,090
but it I was never never felt like a

639
00:33:38,710 --> 00:33:34,640
victim yeah sounds like you were coping

640
00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:38,720
pretty well you know yeah that and then

641
00:33:43,560 --> 00:33:40,850
you mentioned that later on in life I

642
00:33:46,150 --> 00:33:43,570
believe you said California did you have

643
00:33:49,930 --> 00:33:46,160
actual sightings yourself did you say

644
00:33:55,320 --> 00:33:49,940
that I did the best sighting in my life

645
00:34:01,960 --> 00:33:55,330
was in Florida for I was teaching school

646
00:34:05,590 --> 00:34:01,970
it was two big white spheres that hung

647
00:34:08,849 --> 00:34:05,600
over Tampa Bay my house was one block

648
00:34:12,609 --> 00:34:08,859
from Tampa Bay in st. Petersburg Florida

649
00:34:15,369 --> 00:34:12,619
and then this is connect it was they

650
00:34:17,409 --> 00:34:15,379
stayed there for hours there was a small

651
00:34:20,710 --> 00:34:17,419
group of people in the park at the end

652
00:34:22,780 --> 00:34:20,720
of the street watching these two spheres

653
00:34:24,159 --> 00:34:22,790
and my daughter and I watched them we

654
00:34:26,139 --> 00:34:24,169
took the dog we would have been walking

655
00:34:29,379 --> 00:34:26,149
the dog we took the dog home came back

656
00:34:32,349 --> 00:34:29,389
and I I decided to try and communicate

657
00:34:34,780 --> 00:34:32,359
with one of them and I looked down for a

658
00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:34,790
minute and it disappeared so I was kind

659
00:34:40,149 --> 00:34:38,090
of insulted it was the one that left but

660
00:34:43,690 --> 00:34:40,159
the one just stayed there it didn't

661
00:34:46,930 --> 00:34:43,700
dissipate like a rocket launch it didn't

662
00:34:50,169 --> 00:34:46,940
float like a balloon or a Chinese

663
00:34:52,330 --> 00:34:50,179
lantern it just stayed and I left the

664
00:34:54,159 --> 00:34:52,340
park at 2:30 in the morning because I

665
00:34:55,720 --> 00:34:54,169
had to teach school in the morning and

666
00:34:58,359 --> 00:34:55,730
I've always kicked myself for not

667
00:35:02,200 --> 00:34:58,369
staying to see why that ever was going

668
00:35:03,849 --> 00:35:02,210
to do or when it left but that was

669
00:35:06,940 --> 00:35:03,859
probably the best sighting of my life

670
00:35:13,330 --> 00:35:06,950
these were because I never saw the ship

671
00:35:16,780 --> 00:35:13,340
on the abductions these were G the size

672
00:35:19,810 --> 00:35:16,790
of a full moon not a not a huge full

673
00:35:23,970 --> 00:35:19,820
moon but a full moon that's maybe half

674
00:35:28,420 --> 00:35:23,980
way to the apex of the of the sky and

675
00:35:31,060 --> 00:35:28,430
then I also had that at the same year I

676
00:35:34,599 --> 00:35:31,070
call it my year of awakening

677
00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:34,609
I had strange beeps going on in the

678
00:35:42,750 --> 00:35:39,290
house they started in the television set

679
00:35:46,270 --> 00:35:42,760
at 5:00 before the hour but then as time

680
00:35:48,220 --> 00:35:46,280
progressed they were in the wall the

681
00:35:51,849 --> 00:35:48,230
wall beat the lamp

682
00:35:54,190 --> 00:35:51,859
beep - clothes dryer beat and and I

683
00:35:57,730 --> 00:35:54,200
thought what is this a trance some sort

684
00:36:00,220 --> 00:35:57,740
of radio transmission from MacDill Air

685
00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:00,230
Force Base which is over in Tampa or was

686
00:36:08,140 --> 00:36:05,090
I think it's close now but I took a

687
00:36:13,890 --> 00:36:08,150
cassette recorder a half a block away

688
00:36:18,130 --> 00:36:13,900
from the house and it beeped and then

689
00:36:21,700 --> 00:36:18,140
the sort of the climax of that year was

690
00:36:26,170 --> 00:36:21,710
that on May gotta get the date here a

691
00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:26,180
May 9th 1980 abarnes hit the Skyway

692
00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:30,170
Bridge which was over Tampa Bay the same

693
00:36:35,980 --> 00:36:32,690
you know body of water I could see the

694
00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:35,990
bridge when I was looking at the UFO so

695
00:36:41,410 --> 00:36:38,450
our house was a block away

696
00:36:45,730 --> 00:36:41,420
a barge hit a span of the Skyway which

697
00:36:48,550 --> 00:36:45,740
is a very tall bridge and 35 people

698
00:36:50,940 --> 00:36:48,560
plunged to their deaths a Greyhound bus

699
00:36:54,970 --> 00:36:50,950
went over it was I think I remember that

700
00:36:56,530 --> 00:36:54,980
big deal at the time well that morning I

701
00:37:00,460 --> 00:36:56,540
was getting my daughter ready for school

702
00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:00,470
and myself and our smoke alarm which

703
00:37:07,599 --> 00:37:05,330
hadn't been beeping oddly it went off it

704
00:37:12,220 --> 00:37:07,609
wasn't I looked for a fire it wasn't the

705
00:37:14,859 --> 00:37:12,230
fire sound it wasn't battery's low it it

706
00:37:16,930 --> 00:37:14,869
sounded like Morse code and my dad said

707
00:37:20,620 --> 00:37:16,940
well I used to know Morse code but he

708
00:37:24,010 --> 00:37:20,630
wasn't didn't come up with it with any

709
00:37:28,750 --> 00:37:24,020
message but then we heard on the TV that

710
00:37:35,020 --> 00:37:28,760
a barge at 7:35 had hit the Skyway and I

711
00:37:37,240 --> 00:37:35,030
wondered if maybe the smoke alarm maybe

712
00:37:40,599 --> 00:37:37,250
was the energy of these people as they

713
00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:40,609
they plunged over it would take a second

714
00:37:47,020 --> 00:37:44,810
to hit the the water I don't know I mean

715
00:37:50,620 --> 00:37:47,030
that it was all very strange

716
00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:50,630
and then the beeps sort of dwindled off

717
00:37:57,490 --> 00:37:55,010
they eventually stopped they would come

718
00:38:01,549 --> 00:37:57,500
you know a couple times a day at their

719
00:38:06,270 --> 00:38:01,559
height and then the kicker of this

720
00:38:08,609 --> 00:38:06,280
story is that you know mas mas man that

721
00:38:12,299 --> 00:38:08,619
John keel wrote about with the silver

722
00:38:14,010 --> 00:38:12,309
bridge that collapsed yeah well I

723
00:38:18,299 --> 00:38:14,020
remembered I had been outside before

724
00:38:22,079 --> 00:38:18,309
this bridge the Skyway collapsed or was

725
00:38:26,069 --> 00:38:22,089
severed and something flew over that was

726
00:38:29,370 --> 00:38:26,079
opaque it would be like a huge bird but

727
00:38:33,030 --> 00:38:29,380
there was no flapping and it had read

728
00:38:37,589 --> 00:38:33,040
sort of a rounded a rhythm an edge of

729
00:38:40,829 --> 00:38:37,599
red and the Stars disappeared there was

730
00:38:44,220 --> 00:38:40,839
no noise like a low it would be a Piper

731
00:38:47,700 --> 00:38:44,230
Cub type of airplane the size but there

732
00:38:49,290 --> 00:38:47,710
was no noise and I didn't I just thought

733
00:38:52,410 --> 00:38:49,300
it was one of many kind of strange

734
00:38:55,460 --> 00:38:52,420
things that year it was my year of being

735
00:38:58,170 --> 00:38:55,470
stranger of having strange noises and

736
00:39:00,660 --> 00:38:58,180
then it occurred to me after the bridge

737
00:39:05,700 --> 00:39:00,670
fell I thought what if that was Mothman

738
00:39:07,799 --> 00:39:05,710
Mothman I presume so that was my my

739
00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:07,809
strange year I usually don't have things

740
00:39:12,240 --> 00:39:09,490
like that once in a while there'll be

741
00:39:17,670 --> 00:39:12,250
something kind of kind of odd but that

742
00:39:22,380 --> 00:39:17,680
was that was an exciting year I guess so

743
00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:22,390
and I was in Florida and yeah yeah and

744
00:39:28,109 --> 00:39:26,650
so you were basically a section director

745
00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:28,119
for move on did you find

746
00:39:36,770 --> 00:39:32,890
MUFON was easier to work to work with in

747
00:39:40,520 --> 00:39:36,780
April April yeah they weren't as as

748
00:39:44,190 --> 00:39:40,530
picky or as discerning and I guess I had

749
00:39:46,289 --> 00:39:44,200
more freedom because I could assign

750
00:39:47,849 --> 00:39:46,299
people because the state section

751
00:39:50,970 --> 00:39:47,859
director because I was teaching and

752
00:39:54,630 --> 00:39:50,980
raising my daughter and I there was one

753
00:39:59,789 --> 00:39:54,640
case where the a car the electromagnetic

754
00:40:02,910 --> 00:39:59,799
charge was was the the pole the whatever

755
00:40:05,910 --> 00:40:02,920
North or South the polarization was was

756
00:40:09,870 --> 00:40:05,920
changed after the the people in the car

757
00:40:12,180 --> 00:40:09,880
had seen a UFO had a close it had flown

758
00:40:14,660 --> 00:40:12,190
over it wasn't an abduction that they

759
00:40:19,460 --> 00:40:14,670
knew of but the the pole

760
00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:19,470
relation of the the car changed but yeah

761
00:40:23,900 --> 00:40:21,570
then when I went to California I sort of

762
00:40:26,420 --> 00:40:23,910
switched over to the spiritual side

763
00:40:30,170 --> 00:40:26,430
because I kind of felt I was receiving

764
00:40:33,230 --> 00:40:30,180
messages to be honest but they were more

765
00:40:36,290 --> 00:40:33,240
for they are more for the human species

766
00:40:41,150 --> 00:40:36,300
than they are for individual I was never

767
00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:41,160
a psychic I wasn't that good at it but

768
00:40:48,020 --> 00:40:45,210
it was messages mostly about caring for

769
00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:48,030
the planet and that's come to pass that

770
00:40:54,320 --> 00:40:52,410
that certainly is needed yeah I think

771
00:40:56,780 --> 00:40:54,330
California will do that too about anyone

772
00:41:01,610 --> 00:40:56,790
I looked out there a few different times

773
00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:01,620
yeah freedom in a sense or it did in

774
00:41:06,650 --> 00:41:03,930
those days right right yeah I was out

775
00:41:11,300 --> 00:41:06,660
there when I was 22 for a couple years

776
00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:11,310
and then again you know after Wow I left

777
00:41:18,290 --> 00:41:15,330
there about 11 years ago so 10 or 11

778
00:41:21,590 --> 00:41:18,300
years ago so it was no I'm sorry nine

779
00:41:24,410 --> 00:41:21,600
years ago but yeah it's a it's an

780
00:41:26,090 --> 00:41:24,420
interesting place and I I was not doing

781
00:41:28,610 --> 00:41:26,100
this show when I was out there and

782
00:41:30,470 --> 00:41:28,620
there's so much going on in the area

783
00:41:32,330 --> 00:41:30,480
that I lived I find out now it was

784
00:41:34,340 --> 00:41:32,340
basically in Marin County in Northern

785
00:41:40,310 --> 00:41:34,350
California ah yeah that would be great

786
00:41:41,900 --> 00:41:40,320
yeah what's going on Cisco oh yeah I

787
00:41:45,020 --> 00:41:41,910
should go out there one of these days

788
00:41:47,390 --> 00:41:45,030
yes there's a lot there's a lot of

789
00:41:49,790 --> 00:41:47,400
people really involved in this topic and

790
00:41:51,710 --> 00:41:49,800
there I'm finding you know out that way

791
00:41:54,500 --> 00:41:51,720
I've communicated with over the years

792
00:41:56,600 --> 00:41:54,510
and a major amount of listeners to the

793
00:41:59,870 --> 00:41:56,610
show of course you know that's a high

794
00:42:03,310 --> 00:41:59,880
population state but it's definitely way

795
00:42:08,510 --> 00:42:03,320
number one on for listeners out there

796
00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:08,520
yeah my subscribers also the majority or

797
00:42:13,100 --> 00:42:10,410
not the majority but the highest number

798
00:42:16,870 --> 00:42:13,110
would be California the subscribers to

799
00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:16,880
my newsletters and your newsletters are

800
00:42:23,030 --> 00:42:19,850
can you what's that about exactly oh

801
00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:23,040
they're they're the spiritual side of me

802
00:42:26,930 --> 00:42:24,930
I see okay you don't have to talk about

803
00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:26,940
it I just I just wondered if it was

804
00:42:29,839 --> 00:42:28,770
anything related to

805
00:42:36,650 --> 00:42:29,849
you know what we're talking about

806
00:42:39,050 --> 00:42:36,660
tonight so getting back to back to the

807
00:42:42,710 --> 00:42:39,060
last thing I asked you was about hey

808
00:42:44,890 --> 00:42:42,720
there know was about Florida who was her

809
00:42:49,849 --> 00:42:44,900
and you talked about that case with the

810
00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:49,859
magnetic whatever the issue was I wanted

811
00:42:53,809 --> 00:42:51,210
to just talk about that case a little

812
00:42:56,540 --> 00:42:53,819
more if you would did that car actually

813
00:42:58,540 --> 00:42:56,550
like stop running they could never use

814
00:43:02,930 --> 00:42:58,550
it again or what was the deal with that

815
00:43:05,569 --> 00:43:02,940
it was fixed but it wouldn't run after

816
00:43:08,870 --> 00:43:05,579
they were they were marooned it was a

817
00:43:13,010 --> 00:43:08,880
family with two kids and it wouldn't run

818
00:43:15,109 --> 00:43:13,020
after the the UFO flew low over it yeah

819
00:43:17,319 --> 00:43:15,119
which is that's I think why they

820
00:43:26,089 --> 00:43:17,329
reported it they were so annoyed that

821
00:43:28,609 --> 00:43:26,099
scared to it was in rural Florida and so

822
00:43:31,069 --> 00:43:28,619
they had I don't even know I guess they

823
00:43:33,079 --> 00:43:31,079
I think they walked to a filling station

824
00:43:36,440 --> 00:43:33,089
or something I they didn't have cell

825
00:43:38,329 --> 00:43:36,450
phones in those days yeah yeah yeah

826
00:43:42,190 --> 00:43:38,339
that's something of there's so many of

827
00:43:45,980 --> 00:43:42,200
those cases about the car you know it

828
00:43:48,319 --> 00:43:45,990
making cars go dead a lot of times up

829
00:43:52,030 --> 00:43:48,329
when the UFO goes away it'll change

830
00:43:59,390 --> 00:43:52,040
everything back and it works but yeah

831
00:44:01,880 --> 00:43:59,400
nuclear codes I think came back on well

832
00:44:03,859 --> 00:44:01,890
and were there any other really

833
00:44:05,690 --> 00:44:03,869
interesting cases I really like talking

834
00:44:07,970 --> 00:44:05,700
about cases that nobody's ever heard of

835
00:44:10,460 --> 00:44:07,980
and I it sounds like you were in this

836
00:44:13,160 --> 00:44:10,470
very early and you may have witnessed

837
00:44:14,900 --> 00:44:13,170
you know a time where there's a lot of

838
00:44:20,660 --> 00:44:14,910
gaps so that we don't know about some

839
00:44:23,480 --> 00:44:20,670
interesting stories yeah so much in the

840
00:44:25,490 --> 00:44:23,490
book recently yes go back to that for

841
00:44:28,010 --> 00:44:25,500
sure but right I know I just tried to

842
00:44:35,410 --> 00:44:28,020
come up with it there was there was a

843
00:44:40,069 --> 00:44:35,420
case of a woman a very smart woman who

844
00:44:42,259 --> 00:44:40,079
who lived with two with her parents she

845
00:44:47,769 --> 00:44:42,269
was kind of out of place with

846
00:44:51,679 --> 00:44:47,779
in in rural Florida she was had a lot of

847
00:44:53,689 --> 00:44:51,689
old for instance she go out on a rural

848
00:44:58,879 --> 00:44:53,699
road at night and come home in the

849
00:45:04,219 --> 00:44:58,889
morning and feel she had experiences but

850
00:45:11,269 --> 00:45:04,229
this time there was whom she called a

851
00:45:15,129 --> 00:45:11,279
shadow man that she saw and then the

852
00:45:20,869 --> 00:45:15,139
next day her father who was very abusive

853
00:45:25,429 --> 00:45:20,879
was was killed and she always felt it

854
00:45:28,939 --> 00:45:25,439
was the shadow man and then the day

855
00:45:34,429 --> 00:45:28,949
after that she had her first UFO

856
00:45:37,339 --> 00:45:34,439
sighting it was two UFOs that she saw

857
00:45:41,539 --> 00:45:37,349
going over and and that's remained with

858
00:45:45,739 --> 00:45:41,549
me as because it links the paranormal a

859
00:45:48,799 --> 00:45:45,749
strange bright and really lovely person

860
00:45:50,629 --> 00:45:48,809
who was kind of a victim of an

861
00:45:57,339 --> 00:45:50,639
environment that she didn't even seem to

862
00:46:01,639 --> 00:45:57,349
belong in and then that tragedy however

863
00:46:04,399 --> 00:46:01,649
he had been terrible to her and then do

864
00:46:08,089 --> 00:46:04,409
you I mean did they come as as hitmen it

865
00:46:12,109 --> 00:46:08,099
was a strange it rima it remains in my

866
00:46:15,849 --> 00:46:12,119
mind comes to mind because it linked

867
00:46:19,719 --> 00:46:15,859
paranormal unusual person and then

868
00:46:23,119 --> 00:46:19,729
actual UFO sighting that her grandmother

869
00:46:25,729 --> 00:46:23,129
also saw she used to

870
00:46:27,439 --> 00:46:25,739
they had a motel an old motel and she

871
00:46:30,459 --> 00:46:27,449
used to hang out with her her

872
00:46:33,609 --> 00:46:30,469
grandmother more than her parents and

873
00:46:37,759 --> 00:46:33,619
the grandmother had seen the two

874
00:46:40,309 --> 00:46:37,769
saucer-shaped UFOs as well well it's

875
00:46:43,389 --> 00:46:40,319
it's funny how I've talked about this a

876
00:46:46,909 --> 00:46:43,399
number of times that there is an era

877
00:46:49,579 --> 00:46:46,919
where the saucer shapes were more

878
00:46:51,589 --> 00:46:49,589
prevalent you know it seems like that's

879
00:46:54,139 --> 00:46:51,599
that's the only thing that I really saw

880
00:46:55,820 --> 00:46:54,149
that I couldn't explain was the saucer

881
00:46:57,800 --> 00:46:55,830
shape and I just wonder

882
00:47:00,790 --> 00:46:57,810
you know it's so strange where now you

883
00:47:03,080 --> 00:47:00,800
hear a lot of orb sightings and

884
00:47:05,510 --> 00:47:03,090
triangles and it's it's really

885
00:47:07,730 --> 00:47:05,520
interesting why they would be different

886
00:47:08,630 --> 00:47:07,740
how would that fit into your theory of

887
00:47:11,870 --> 00:47:08,640
time travel

888
00:47:15,520 --> 00:47:11,880
I suppose they just have different

889
00:47:19,160 --> 00:47:15,530
models of ships that's maybe pretty good

890
00:47:22,670 --> 00:47:19,170
simply the tic tacs

891
00:47:25,070 --> 00:47:22,680
remind me of the shuttles on original

892
00:47:30,230 --> 00:47:25,080
Star Trek of course I am a big star

893
00:47:32,930 --> 00:47:30,240
tracker I admit that but they they seem

894
00:47:34,910 --> 00:47:32,940
to have of the pilot set a funny little

895
00:47:38,060 --> 00:47:34,920
protrusion from them almost like an

896
00:47:39,920 --> 00:47:38,070
antenna right yeah which is kind of

897
00:47:44,570 --> 00:47:39,930
weird why would you need an antenna if

898
00:47:47,240 --> 00:47:44,580
you're so advanced but anyway yeah

899
00:47:50,870 --> 00:47:47,250
they've kind of for some reason they

900
00:47:52,760 --> 00:47:50,880
remind people of more of time travel I

901
00:47:56,600 --> 00:47:52,770
think then the saucers do I'm not sure

902
00:47:58,220 --> 00:47:56,610
why yeah all right let's just let's just

903
00:48:00,590 --> 00:47:58,230
go there for a minute we only have a

904
00:48:05,480 --> 00:48:00,600
couple of minutes but okay let's just

905
00:48:06,920 --> 00:48:05,490
say this that the tic tacs were time

906
00:48:09,830 --> 00:48:06,930
travelers

907
00:48:12,620 --> 00:48:09,840
what would they what would they be doing

908
00:48:14,630 --> 00:48:12,630
and just doing what they were doing out

909
00:48:17,450 --> 00:48:14,640
in the middle of the you know off San

910
00:48:23,180 --> 00:48:17,460
Diego and you know messing with a couple

911
00:48:24,380 --> 00:48:23,190
of fighter jets beyond that you know

912
00:48:25,910 --> 00:48:24,390
what why would you think they would be

913
00:48:29,030 --> 00:48:25,920
doing that I mean I'm just posing

914
00:48:32,720 --> 00:48:29,040
questions well the Navy did those

915
00:48:34,340 --> 00:48:32,730
maneuvers every year between Tijuana and

916
00:48:36,440 --> 00:48:34,350
San Diego

917
00:48:38,510 --> 00:48:36,450
so the tic tacs would have certainly

918
00:48:43,360 --> 00:48:38,520
known that they could have stayed out of

919
00:48:46,400 --> 00:48:43,370
the way or but they appeared on radar

920
00:48:48,350 --> 00:48:46,410
before they sent the pilots up I think

921
00:48:50,360 --> 00:48:48,360
the radar said there was a battalion or

922
00:48:51,890 --> 00:48:50,370
maybe a unit I don't know if there's I

923
00:48:56,150 --> 00:48:51,900
don't know what's in a battalion but

924
00:48:59,420 --> 00:48:56,160
many many of them formations and so it

925
00:49:02,720 --> 00:48:59,430
was almost like they wanted to have that

926
00:49:07,820 --> 00:49:02,730
confrontation or that little dogfight

927
00:49:09,580 --> 00:49:07,830
kind of possibly that might be a drip

928
00:49:12,640 --> 00:49:09,590
drip of disclosure

929
00:49:14,740 --> 00:49:12,650
because it has raised a lot of the Navy

930
00:49:18,550 --> 00:49:14,750
said they really don't know what it is

931
00:49:20,500 --> 00:49:18,560
which is new and unusual and then there

932
00:49:23,200 --> 00:49:20,510
is a theory that the whales were

933
00:49:25,450 --> 00:49:23,210
migrating and that possibly they were

934
00:49:29,170 --> 00:49:25,460
observing the whales now that's kind of

935
00:49:31,930 --> 00:49:29,180
a maybe too saccharine or too sweet or

936
00:49:37,090 --> 00:49:31,940
something maybe they were going to you

937
00:49:39,430 --> 00:49:37,100
know catch the whales but there was

938
00:49:42,340 --> 00:49:39,440
something foaming under the water or

939
00:49:46,360 --> 00:49:42,350
churning that commander flavor talked

940
00:49:47,770 --> 00:49:46,370
about and it was the size of a 747 well

941
00:49:50,440 --> 00:49:47,780
that could have been one of the wells

942
00:49:52,570 --> 00:49:50,450
but the whales were migrating there and

943
00:49:56,140 --> 00:49:52,580
there's up in Oregon

944
00:49:59,770 --> 00:49:56,150
there was a whale migration and other

945
00:50:05,560 --> 00:49:59,780
military reports of of tick that or at

946
00:50:08,110 --> 00:50:05,570
least of UFOs around so yes well who

947
00:50:10,840 --> 00:50:08,120
knows alright well it's time for us to

948
00:50:13,540 --> 00:50:10,850
head into our break and we'll be right

949
00:50:16,420 --> 00:50:13,550
back right after these messages and

950
00:50:17,920 --> 00:50:16,430
we're going to come back a few minutes

951
00:50:21,000 --> 00:50:17,930
into the show about a half hour end

952
00:50:23,650 --> 00:50:21,010
we'll take calls so prepare for that and

953
00:50:26,380 --> 00:50:23,660
we'll be right back right after these

954
00:50:29,250 --> 00:50:26,390
men all right welcome back everyone

955
00:50:34,090 --> 00:50:29,260
my guest tonight is Dianne Testament and

956
00:50:36,760 --> 00:50:34,100
we are we were talking about what were

957
00:50:43,540 --> 00:50:36,770
we talking about before because we

958
00:50:45,520 --> 00:50:43,550
talked during the break oh yes yeah

959
00:50:47,500 --> 00:50:45,530
those cases are really interesting I

960
00:50:50,140 --> 00:50:47,510
love hearing cases that I've never heard

961
00:50:52,570 --> 00:50:50,150
about that's why I was actually talking

962
00:50:55,930 --> 00:50:52,580
to you about about let's get back into

963
00:51:00,490 --> 00:50:55,940
your book and some of the things you

964
00:51:03,100 --> 00:51:00,500
have discussed about in the future of

965
00:51:06,430 --> 00:51:03,110
humans what is what are some of the

966
00:51:11,860 --> 00:51:06,440
things you've come up with well I think

967
00:51:16,480 --> 00:51:11,870
that the nuclear issue is part of why

968
00:51:18,400 --> 00:51:16,490
they are back here in our skies I can't

969
00:51:21,940 --> 00:51:18,410
exactly tell you why they don't just

970
00:51:23,089 --> 00:51:21,950
land and say look anything nuclear is

971
00:51:25,430 --> 00:51:23,099
more dangerous than you

972
00:51:28,880 --> 00:51:25,440
think and you current people have been

973
00:51:32,079 --> 00:51:28,890
too nonchalant with nuclear energy even

974
00:51:35,630 --> 00:51:32,089
nuclear plants that are built on water

975
00:51:40,069 --> 00:51:35,640
because they need water intake oceans or

976
00:51:42,229 --> 00:51:40,079
a river and now the oceans are rising

977
00:51:45,109 --> 00:51:42,239
there's torrential rains there's

978
00:51:48,890 --> 00:51:45,119
flooding you know what's that going to

979
00:51:52,940 --> 00:51:48,900
be in a hundred years with with even

980
00:51:55,479 --> 00:51:52,950
safe supposedly safe civilian just you

981
00:51:59,509 --> 00:51:55,489
know just to give us electric energy

982
00:52:04,099 --> 00:51:59,519
yeah but starting with with the concept

983
00:52:08,140 --> 00:52:04,109
of nuclear waste that we generate so

984
00:52:11,539 --> 00:52:08,150
much of it overflows the permanent

985
00:52:14,329 --> 00:52:11,549
storage which may not be the greatest we

986
00:52:18,349 --> 00:52:14,339
put it in temporary storage there is a

987
00:52:20,690 --> 00:52:18,359
Danish film that is a haunting and

988
00:52:23,599 --> 00:52:20,700
award-winning feature documentary called

989
00:52:27,380 --> 00:52:23,609
into eternity it follows the

990
00:52:31,009 --> 00:52:27,390
construction of a waste repository at a

991
00:52:33,079 --> 00:52:31,019
nuclear power plant in Finland the film

992
00:52:37,400 --> 00:52:33,089
questions the intended eternal existence

993
00:52:40,190 --> 00:52:37,410
of nuclear waste storage this site that

994
00:52:43,190 --> 00:52:40,200
has been carefully built in Finland much

995
00:52:46,549 --> 00:52:43,200
better than than what the US has in many

996
00:52:49,430 --> 00:52:46,559
cases it cannot be safely disturbed for

997
00:52:51,859 --> 00:52:49,440
a hundred thousand years exactly no

998
00:52:53,660 --> 00:52:51,869
structure in human history has lasted a

999
00:52:55,630 --> 00:52:53,670
hundred thousand years do we know what

1000
00:52:59,509 --> 00:52:55,640
happened a hundred thousand years ago no

1001
00:53:02,469 --> 00:52:59,519
no and and when you think about it a

1002
00:53:05,239 --> 00:53:02,479
hundred thousand years how will people

1003
00:53:07,430 --> 00:53:05,249
even know not to dig it up

1004
00:53:09,529 --> 00:53:07,440
will they even speak English for all we

1005
00:53:12,160 --> 00:53:09,539
know they'll dig it up and think they

1006
00:53:17,209 --> 00:53:12,170
got some artifact or some wonderful

1007
00:53:19,160 --> 00:53:17,219
Egyptian like container but leaving you

1008
00:53:19,729 --> 00:53:19,170
know maybe they would know it's nuclear

1009
00:53:23,509 --> 00:53:19,739
waste

1010
00:53:27,200 --> 00:53:23,519
but it's leaking into earth and so a big

1011
00:53:31,759 --> 00:53:27,210
part of my book is asking why are we

1012
00:53:36,430 --> 00:53:31,769
leaving to our descendants and you know

1013
00:53:38,620 --> 00:53:36,440
you mentioned we might go extinct this

1014
00:53:46,240 --> 00:53:38,630
sperm count of the human race is down

1015
00:53:48,970 --> 00:53:46,250
50% so and possibly there is a nuclear

1016
00:53:51,370 --> 00:53:48,980
war that hasn't happened yet you can you

1017
00:53:53,710 --> 00:53:51,380
know guessed out and the the genome is

1018
00:53:56,490 --> 00:53:53,720
damaged it might account for the

1019
00:53:59,290 --> 00:53:56,500
differences in there in the fizzy

1020
00:54:02,950 --> 00:53:59,300
physiological makeup of the the small

1021
00:54:05,020 --> 00:54:02,960
humans that so many people have seen now

1022
00:54:06,670 --> 00:54:05,030
Mike masters says that's just normal

1023
00:54:09,370 --> 00:54:06,680
evolution that we're going in that

1024
00:54:13,980 --> 00:54:09,380
direction so it's just speculation on my

1025
00:54:17,490 --> 00:54:13,990
part but we have been too nonchalant

1026
00:54:23,380 --> 00:54:17,500
with nuclear energy and there have been

1027
00:54:26,470 --> 00:54:23,390
UFOs even around Los Alamos in way back

1028
00:54:31,089 --> 00:54:26,480
in the late 40s they had an outbreak of

1029
00:54:34,410 --> 00:54:31,099
red zipping lights running around at Los

1030
00:54:39,670 --> 00:54:34,420
Alamos and there have been sightings at

1031
00:54:43,270 --> 00:54:39,680
everything from Peach Bottom which is a

1032
00:54:45,099 --> 00:54:43,280
a nuclear route where is that here

1033
00:54:49,900 --> 00:54:45,109
central Pennsylvania south central

1034
00:54:52,359 --> 00:54:49,910
Pennsylvania they have they're running

1035
00:54:57,880 --> 00:54:52,369
out of space so they're going to just

1036
00:55:00,220 --> 00:54:57,890
put it the overflow in containers stored

1037
00:55:03,339 --> 00:55:00,230
in an area less than the size of a

1038
00:55:05,620 --> 00:55:03,349
football field and there they're going

1039
00:55:08,740 --> 00:55:05,630
to sit I guess above ground

1040
00:55:12,819 --> 00:55:08,750
anyway future humans may be dealing with

1041
00:55:14,890 --> 00:55:12,829
a really contaminated earth also they

1042
00:55:19,260 --> 00:55:14,900
may be a mayor may be a scarcity of

1043
00:55:22,690 --> 00:55:19,270
drinking water of safe drinking water so

1044
00:55:25,240 --> 00:55:22,700
you know they seem to be trying to tell

1045
00:55:29,980 --> 00:55:25,250
us that we're too nonchalant with

1046
00:55:33,430 --> 00:55:29,990
nuclear energy and maybe they don't come

1047
00:55:35,880 --> 00:55:33,440
down and and with a megaphone and

1048
00:55:39,010 --> 00:55:35,890
yelling at us because there is a

1049
00:55:42,460 --> 00:55:39,020
non-interference directive or a reason

1050
00:55:45,069 --> 00:55:42,470
that we're not quite ready to know about

1051
00:55:47,819 --> 00:55:45,079
them they would threaten the power

1052
00:55:49,900 --> 00:55:47,829
structure even if they didn't aim to

1053
00:55:54,069 --> 00:55:49,910
more than et's

1054
00:55:56,950 --> 00:55:54,079
even because here would be people the

1055
00:55:59,109 --> 00:55:56,960
current people would see that would this

1056
00:56:01,839 --> 00:55:59,119
other bunch of humans probably has the

1057
00:56:04,660 --> 00:56:01,849
cure for cancer and any disease you can

1058
00:56:07,599 --> 00:56:04,670
think of they probably could help with

1059
00:56:09,549 --> 00:56:07,609
the fires like in Australia if you had

1060
00:56:12,460 --> 00:56:09,559
artificial intelligence that they

1061
00:56:15,039 --> 00:56:12,470
designed to go into fires or the Amazon

1062
00:56:18,760 --> 00:56:15,049
fires and you wouldn't have any loss of

1063
00:56:20,740 --> 00:56:18,770
life of firemen and much more

1064
00:56:23,319 --> 00:56:20,750
efficiently artificial intelligence

1065
00:56:24,640 --> 00:56:23,329
could put out fires all sorts of things

1066
00:56:27,730 --> 00:56:24,650
that would be helpful

1067
00:56:30,880 --> 00:56:27,740
and people could turn away from the

1068
00:56:34,829 --> 00:56:30,890
powers that be now pretty quickly so

1069
00:56:38,170 --> 00:56:34,839
that might be the reason for

1070
00:56:40,799 --> 00:56:38,180
non-interference directive because I

1071
00:56:43,870 --> 00:56:40,809
don't think they really want you know

1072
00:56:47,349 --> 00:56:43,880
grandpa just running around and falling

1073
00:56:51,880 --> 00:56:47,359
for trying to follow them and they have

1074
00:56:55,450 --> 00:56:51,890
some ethics I believe but I think there

1075
00:57:00,400 --> 00:56:55,460
is a point where there must be a huge

1076
00:57:03,460 --> 00:57:00,410
separation between galactic races that

1077
00:57:06,010 --> 00:57:03,470
learn how to time travel that develop it

1078
00:57:08,099 --> 00:57:06,020
and those that are still locked in time

1079
00:57:10,269 --> 00:57:08,109
to me that would be the biggest

1080
00:57:12,640 --> 00:57:10,279
separation almost it would be the

1081
00:57:15,819 --> 00:57:12,650
biggest event if we realize that's ever

1082
00:57:21,609 --> 00:57:15,829
happened to us if we realized that there

1083
00:57:23,410 --> 00:57:21,619
is travel in in time and that that would

1084
00:57:25,839 --> 00:57:23,420
have influenced our history I'm getting

1085
00:57:28,599 --> 00:57:25,849
off the point of the nuclear things so

1086
00:57:30,460 --> 00:57:28,609
let me get back to that of the

1087
00:57:33,700 --> 00:57:30,470
government installations Livermore

1088
00:57:38,309 --> 00:57:33,710
Sandia Savannah River so many of them

1089
00:57:41,019 --> 00:57:38,319
have had strange events with UFOs may be

1090
00:57:44,410 --> 00:57:41,029
flying over for a week or two when

1091
00:57:50,849 --> 00:57:44,420
coming back there's a nuclear

1092
00:57:57,220 --> 00:57:50,859
installation in Nebraska that

1093
00:58:00,549 --> 00:57:57,230
cooper-cooper nuclear plant that had a

1094
00:58:02,620 --> 00:58:00,559
couple of weeks of UFOs flying over and

1095
00:58:03,269 --> 00:58:02,630
they were the ones that got nearly

1096
00:58:05,130 --> 00:58:03,279
flooded

1097
00:58:09,809 --> 00:58:05,140
a couple years ago when the river

1098
00:58:13,079 --> 00:58:09,819
overflowed I think they were bothered by

1099
00:58:17,279 --> 00:58:13,089
a UFO before that a few years but

1100
00:58:20,789 --> 00:58:17,289
there's just so many cases of UFOs and

1101
00:58:25,019 --> 00:58:20,799
UAVs being interested in nuclear sites

1102
00:58:28,099 --> 00:58:25,029
military and civilian and you had got a

1103
00:58:30,679 --> 00:58:28,109
wonder about that stored atomic

1104
00:58:34,319 --> 00:58:30,689
radioactive waste that we're just

1105
00:58:38,099 --> 00:58:34,329
building up with not a thought I was

1106
00:58:41,309 --> 00:58:38,109
gonna say to their future human society

1107
00:58:44,939 --> 00:58:41,319
may not be I'm not saying it's wonderful

1108
00:58:48,569 --> 00:58:44,949
you know with a Star Trek kind of vision

1109
00:58:54,269 --> 00:58:48,579
I I hope it is but they could be

1110
00:58:58,099 --> 00:58:54,279
survivors or you know possibly almost

1111
00:59:01,140 --> 00:58:58,109
live in space which would account for

1112
00:59:07,439 --> 00:59:01,150
radio for radiation damage too because

1113
00:59:11,880 --> 00:59:07,449
space is so hard on organic beings due

1114
00:59:13,890 --> 00:59:11,890
to radioactivity there could be just a

1115
00:59:16,799 --> 00:59:13,900
few of us left for all I know I'm not

1116
00:59:19,679 --> 00:59:16,809
you know telling you what their society

1117
00:59:21,299 --> 00:59:19,689
is like I don't know yes they could work

1118
00:59:23,269 --> 00:59:21,309
those things out to it I mean if we

1119
00:59:26,009 --> 00:59:23,279
advance it if we advance in the future

1120
00:59:27,989 --> 00:59:26,019
we'll figure out how to protect

1121
00:59:32,640 --> 00:59:27,999
ourselves in space a little better than

1122
00:59:34,620 --> 00:59:32,650
we have now I would imagine I had done

1123
00:59:36,209 --> 00:59:34,630
for a while some of the listeners to the

1124
00:59:38,699 --> 00:59:36,219
show and they're still up on YouTube on

1125
00:59:39,959 --> 00:59:38,709
this channel I did a show called the

1126
00:59:43,919 --> 00:59:39,969
everything else show where I talk about

1127
00:59:47,880 --> 00:59:43,929
other topics and I had lib halevi

1128
00:59:49,919 --> 00:59:47,890
on the show of that show and we talked

1129
00:59:53,219 --> 00:59:49,929
about nuclear waste in the future and

1130
00:59:55,259 --> 00:59:53,229
all that and I'm you know getting off

1131
00:59:57,269 --> 00:59:55,269
the you helped my listeners allow me to

1132
01:00:00,870 --> 00:59:57,279
get off the UFO topic for just a second

1133
01:00:02,999 --> 01:00:00,880
here and that is I've have thought you

1134
01:00:04,859 --> 01:00:03,009
know for many years that we are really

1135
01:00:08,429 --> 01:00:04,869
playing with the mattress as Stan

1136
01:00:11,009 --> 01:00:08,439
Friedman used to say he used to be more

1137
01:00:13,620 --> 01:00:11,019
or less an advocate for what you know

1138
01:00:15,870 --> 01:00:13,630
nuclear power would be and stuff like

1139
01:00:16,460 --> 01:00:15,880
that but what what has never talked

1140
01:00:19,370 --> 01:00:16,470
about

1141
01:00:22,849 --> 01:00:19,380
and you mention it and that is the waste

1142
01:00:26,960 --> 01:00:22,859
we actually are putting that burden on

1143
01:00:29,060 --> 01:00:26,970
5,000 generations into our future for

1144
01:00:32,810 --> 01:00:29,070
our selfish needs for a hundred years

1145
01:00:35,000 --> 01:00:32,820
and that's right and I think it's it's

1146
01:00:37,430 --> 01:00:35,010
just we don't think about it we always

1147
01:00:38,720 --> 01:00:37,440
think of this short-term and you know

1148
01:00:41,660 --> 01:00:38,730
you've mentioned some things I'd never

1149
01:00:43,040 --> 01:00:41,670
thought about you know what if you know

1150
01:00:44,570 --> 01:00:43,050
there's a separation and people don't

1151
01:00:45,920 --> 01:00:44,580
understand how two thousand years from

1152
01:00:47,870 --> 01:00:45,930
now where these things are they're still

1153
01:00:50,270 --> 01:00:47,880
they're still radioactive and they're so

1154
01:00:53,300 --> 01:00:50,280
dangerous you know the half-life's go on

1155
01:00:55,670 --> 01:00:53,310
and on and pass right in fact a hundred

1156
01:00:59,240 --> 01:00:55,680
thousand years isn't even the longest

1157
01:01:02,330 --> 01:00:59,250
half-life no it could be 200 yeah yeah

1158
01:01:05,540 --> 01:01:02,340
yeah so it's up I just think that we are

1159
01:01:07,640 --> 01:01:05,550
selfish and we're not good to our planet

1160
01:01:11,540 --> 01:01:07,650
that's you know there was only a way to

1161
01:01:12,980 --> 01:01:11,550
to launch that up to the Sun all the

1162
01:01:18,640 --> 01:01:12,990
nuclear waste of the Sun would be all

1163
01:01:26,200 --> 01:01:23,720
yeah so I agree yeah and you know it is

1164
01:01:28,430 --> 01:01:26,210
really something that there are so many

1165
01:01:31,430 --> 01:01:28,440
there's so many encounters when it comes

1166
01:01:34,130 --> 01:01:31,440
to nuclear power and nuclear missile

1167
01:01:36,020 --> 01:01:34,140
heads and and you know warheads it is

1168
01:01:41,390 --> 01:01:36,030
and and and all that it's just really

1169
01:01:43,460 --> 01:01:41,400
amazing and a small what's not small

1170
01:01:47,000 --> 01:01:43,470
something you think about in the Great

1171
01:01:50,750 --> 01:01:47,010
Plains is the tornadoes right what if an

1172
01:01:55,460 --> 01:01:50,760
f5 tornado hits the Nebraska power plant

1173
01:01:58,640 --> 01:01:55,470
or wherever you know and and the storms

1174
01:02:01,730 --> 01:01:58,650
are getting worse the the number of bad

1175
01:02:04,640 --> 01:02:01,740
tornadoes are worse and even I think the

1176
01:02:07,370 --> 01:02:04,650
number of tornadoes in general but there

1177
01:02:10,190 --> 01:02:07,380
have been some really horrific tornadoes

1178
01:02:14,120 --> 01:02:10,200
I think more in Oklahoma maybe than Iowa

1179
01:02:16,970 --> 01:02:14,130
it's been a little south but we never

1180
01:02:20,390 --> 01:02:16,980
think of that or the the rising waters

1181
01:02:23,240 --> 01:02:20,400
of I think they shut down San Onofre in

1182
01:02:25,970 --> 01:02:23,250
California it was right it right on the

1183
01:02:26,690 --> 01:02:25,980
ocean people surfing on the other side

1184
01:02:29,300 --> 01:02:26,700
of the freeway

1185
01:02:30,319 --> 01:02:29,310
and but they did shut it down to

1186
01:02:34,429 --> 01:02:30,329
California's crown

1187
01:02:36,559 --> 01:02:34,439
Wow how about that interesting I noticed

1188
01:02:39,469 --> 01:02:36,569
that in your I think in your book do you

1189
01:02:41,059 --> 01:02:39,479
mention the Socorro incident because we

1190
01:02:42,859 --> 01:02:41,069
have a lot of times we have raised

1191
01:02:44,929 --> 01:02:42,869
Stanford who wrote the original book on

1192
01:02:48,890 --> 01:02:44,939
that that's so good

1193
01:02:51,279 --> 01:02:48,900
did you look into that case I I didn't

1194
01:02:55,870 --> 01:02:51,289
personally but I have it in the book

1195
01:02:59,120 --> 01:02:55,880
yeah where I'm trying to find it here

1196
01:03:01,630 --> 01:02:59,130
awesome or some Lonnie Zamora right I

1197
01:03:06,039 --> 01:03:01,640
was trying to get his name for starters

1198
01:03:10,579 --> 01:03:06,049
yeah was a sheriff or a patrolman and

1199
01:03:12,769 --> 01:03:10,589
though he saw a craft first in the air

1200
01:03:17,390 --> 01:03:12,779
and then he he was kind of following it

1201
01:03:19,759 --> 01:03:17,400
and then he saw it it landed and was it

1202
01:03:22,819 --> 01:03:19,769
to small human noise got out I'm still

1203
01:03:25,039 --> 01:03:22,829
looking everywhere I that's he claimed

1204
01:03:28,339 --> 01:03:25,049
he thought he saw and they were very

1205
01:03:29,929 --> 01:03:28,349
small like like she thought there were

1206
01:03:33,919 --> 01:03:29,939
children like in coveralls white

1207
01:03:37,429 --> 01:03:33,929
coveralls I believe and that as soon as

1208
01:03:40,729 --> 01:03:37,439
he showed up they basically saw him got

1209
01:03:44,329 --> 01:03:40,739
scared and shot up and you know I think

1210
01:03:46,669 --> 01:03:44,339
that's when he lost sight of it I don't

1211
01:03:49,669 --> 01:03:46,679
know the exact details so I'm kind of

1212
01:03:52,939 --> 01:03:49,679
paraphrasing what I remember yeah I'm

1213
01:03:54,799 --> 01:03:52,949
I'm almost there yeah okay he lost sight

1214
01:03:57,410 --> 01:03:54,809
of the object and the figures as he

1215
01:04:01,910 --> 01:03:57,420
passed behind a hill and then he saw an

1216
01:04:04,489 --> 01:04:01,920
egg-shaped object he let's see he

1217
01:04:07,669 --> 01:04:04,499
glimpsed a shiny car sized object on the

1218
01:04:10,009 --> 01:04:07,679
ground about 150 yards away near it

1219
01:04:13,249 --> 01:04:10,019
stood two small figures in white overall

1220
01:04:16,160 --> 01:04:13,259
coveralls and he lost sight of it

1221
01:04:18,259 --> 01:04:16,170
figures he passed behind a hill and then

1222
01:04:20,900 --> 01:04:18,269
he saw an egg-shaped object standing on

1223
01:04:23,900 --> 01:04:20,910
four legs it displayed a peculiar

1224
01:04:26,269 --> 01:04:23,910
insignia on its side something like an

1225
01:04:29,499 --> 01:04:26,279
arrow pointing vertically from a

1226
01:04:32,959 --> 01:04:29,509
horizontal base to a half council crown

1227
01:04:36,759 --> 01:04:32,969
the two figures had disappeared and the

1228
01:04:39,919 --> 01:04:36,769
object emitting an enormous raw roar he

1229
01:04:41,839 --> 01:04:39,929
charged back to his car he was

1230
01:04:44,289 --> 01:04:41,849
frightened and ran back to his car he

1231
01:04:47,620 --> 01:04:44,299
glimpsed it over his shoulder

1232
01:04:50,079 --> 01:04:47,630
and then project Bluebook investigators

1233
01:04:52,599 --> 01:04:50,089
found that officer Zamora had a

1234
01:04:54,880 --> 01:04:52,609
reputation for integrity and they

1235
01:04:57,370 --> 01:04:54,890
examine what looked like landing marks

1236
01:04:59,829 --> 01:04:57,380
found on the desert floor it was in New

1237
01:05:01,990 --> 01:04:59,839
Mexico in the middle of these marks was

1238
01:05:03,789 --> 01:05:02,000
a burned area apparently from the crafts

1239
01:05:05,410 --> 01:05:03,799
exhaust so there was a bit of evidence

1240
01:05:08,260 --> 01:05:05,420
left behind

1241
01:05:10,750 --> 01:05:08,270
yeah creosote bush was burnt yeah I've

1242
01:05:13,779 --> 01:05:10,760
gone into great detail with Ray Stanford

1243
01:05:17,289 --> 01:05:13,789
because he was there shortly after he

1244
01:05:20,410 --> 01:05:17,299
had shown up and he actually saw you

1245
01:05:22,569 --> 01:05:20,420
know the landing marks and in that he

1246
01:05:26,410 --> 01:05:22,579
has quite the story to tell in that

1247
01:05:29,440 --> 01:05:26,420
there was a rocket and I believe J Allen

1248
01:05:31,180 --> 01:05:29,450
Hynek was there and Ray just happened to

1249
01:05:34,000 --> 01:05:31,190
catch that he saw a scrape of what

1250
01:05:36,490 --> 01:05:34,010
looked like metal on a rock so we kind

1251
01:05:38,200 --> 01:05:36,500
of waited and if he's listening you'll

1252
01:05:42,549 --> 01:05:38,210
probably call in and tell me I'm getting

1253
01:05:44,200 --> 01:05:42,559
it wrong but I believe he waited until

1254
01:05:47,859 --> 01:05:44,210
everyone was gone and then he actually

1255
01:05:50,109 --> 01:05:47,869
took the rock that had the scrape on it

1256
01:05:54,730 --> 01:05:50,119
and that's a long story because he had

1257
01:06:00,640 --> 01:05:54,740
the he had I can't remember exactly what

1258
01:06:04,390 --> 01:06:00,650
it wasn't NASA or Goddard or it was some

1259
01:06:06,640 --> 01:06:04,400
type of place like that that tried to

1260
01:06:08,890 --> 01:06:06,650
scrape the sample OOP they were gonna

1261
01:06:10,750 --> 01:06:08,900
leave that he was very he was very

1262
01:06:14,859 --> 01:06:10,760
concerned about that they would scrape

1263
01:06:16,390 --> 01:06:14,869
the entire sample off and and he could

1264
01:06:18,700 --> 01:06:16,400
never get anywhere with him and when he

1265
01:06:19,359 --> 01:06:18,710
finally got the rock back that's exactly

1266
01:06:21,700 --> 01:06:19,369
what happened

1267
01:06:24,190 --> 01:06:21,710
it was completely straight clean shoot

1268
01:06:28,089 --> 01:06:24,200
so he never really found out what what

1269
01:06:29,380 --> 01:06:28,099
that was for a metal on there so if Ray

1270
01:06:30,460 --> 01:06:29,390
if you were happen to be listening you

1271
01:06:33,609 --> 01:06:30,470
want to call in and set the record

1272
01:06:36,269 --> 01:06:33,619
straight I know I'm kind of probably

1273
01:06:39,279 --> 01:06:36,279
leaving some of the facts out of it but

1274
01:06:41,109 --> 01:06:39,289
but that yeah that is a one of the

1275
01:06:43,630 --> 01:06:41,119
really good cases really the really

1276
01:06:46,180 --> 01:06:43,640
strong case where you have such a man of

1277
01:06:47,349 --> 01:06:46,190
integrity that has such an incredible

1278
01:06:49,420 --> 01:06:47,359
sighting and there were other people

1279
01:06:53,200 --> 01:06:49,430
that saw that other witnesses that saw

1280
01:06:54,880 --> 01:06:53,210
the saw the craft and there's a lot of

1281
01:06:57,580 --> 01:06:54,890
people that were trying to spin it as a

1282
01:07:00,640 --> 01:06:57,590
hoax but none of that held true

1283
01:07:05,590 --> 01:07:00,650
it's always been a very solid case in my

1284
01:07:07,990 --> 01:07:05,600
book I I took older solid cases that had

1285
01:07:11,640 --> 01:07:08,000
been thoroughly investigated and really

1286
01:07:14,470 --> 01:07:11,650
stood up and I did that on purpose

1287
01:07:18,370 --> 01:07:14,480
rather than taking newer ones that might

1288
01:07:20,560 --> 01:07:18,380
possibly have faked photos or and and

1289
01:07:24,370 --> 01:07:20,570
then also I think there got to be a

1290
01:07:29,380 --> 01:07:24,380
certain hysteria around abductions and

1291
01:07:33,210 --> 01:07:29,390
maybe rightfully so but I don't know the

1292
01:07:36,610 --> 01:07:33,220
earlier 1950s and 60s abductions seemed

1293
01:07:39,970 --> 01:07:36,620
to not traumatize people at quite as

1294
01:07:42,430 --> 01:07:39,980
much and you know whether that was a

1295
01:07:44,800 --> 01:07:42,440
different group course with future

1296
01:07:46,480 --> 01:07:44,810
humans you could have a group of them

1297
01:07:49,930 --> 01:07:46,490
from two hundred and fifty years in

1298
01:07:51,790 --> 01:07:49,940
advance or even 50 years in advance it

1299
01:07:56,080 --> 01:07:51,800
depends when we figure out time travel

1300
01:07:58,420 --> 01:07:56,090
back or they could be from a million

1301
01:08:00,850 --> 01:07:58,430
years in advance because once you step

1302
01:08:04,270 --> 01:08:00,860
out of time of course you're not really

1303
01:08:06,040 --> 01:08:04,280
from yeah they're probably not from a

1304
01:08:09,040 --> 01:08:06,050
year but there would be different phases

1305
01:08:11,280 --> 01:08:09,050
or maybe they do still have yours but

1306
01:08:14,980 --> 01:08:11,290
you probably wouldn't have a mixture of

1307
01:08:17,020 --> 01:08:14,990
75 years ahead and 2 million years ahead

1308
01:08:23,290 --> 01:08:17,030
because they wouldn't have anything much

1309
01:08:30,070 --> 01:08:23,300
in common either so now I forget my my

1310
01:08:33,340 --> 01:08:30,080
other point there anyway why I was gonna

1311
01:08:35,950 --> 01:08:33,350
say after there's a more a case in my

1312
01:08:39,490 --> 01:08:35,960
book I've got I mentioned Leonard

1313
01:08:44,860 --> 01:08:39,500
Stringfield work which seemed to always

1314
01:08:50,500 --> 01:08:44,870
be again with just the small humans my

1315
01:08:54,700 --> 01:08:50,510
my friend Richard Hall dick Hall was the

1316
01:08:59,230 --> 01:08:54,710
confidant of Leonard Stringfield so I

1317
01:09:01,240 --> 01:08:59,240
got in on a few things that I didn't

1318
01:09:03,460 --> 01:09:01,250
really get in on that many secrets that

1319
01:09:07,210 --> 01:09:03,470
didn't that Leonard didn't put in his

1320
01:09:09,760 --> 01:09:07,220
crash retrieval booklets but I got in on

1321
01:09:11,320 --> 01:09:09,770
the the fact that his confidence would

1322
01:09:13,240 --> 01:09:11,330
were usually Miller

1323
01:09:15,310 --> 01:09:13,250
carry guards that had seen the bodies

1324
01:09:18,099 --> 01:09:15,320
from crash saucers and there seems to

1325
01:09:20,800 --> 01:09:18,109
have been more crashes than just Roswell

1326
01:09:23,430 --> 01:09:20,810
and then his informants would disappear

1327
01:09:26,590 --> 01:09:23,440
when he tried to see him see them again

1328
01:09:28,930 --> 01:09:26,600
they wouldn't he couldn't find them and

1329
01:09:31,470 --> 01:09:28,940
that happened too so I got in on some of

1330
01:09:35,500 --> 01:09:31,480
the trials and tribulations of it but

1331
01:09:38,680 --> 01:09:35,510
these guards would talk to him and they

1332
01:09:41,130 --> 01:09:38,690
reported little humanoids that had been

1333
01:09:44,890 --> 01:09:41,140
put into hastily prepared wooden crates

1334
01:09:47,800 --> 01:09:44,900
they appeared to be 4 feet tall the the

1335
01:09:53,079 --> 01:09:47,810
witness said they were lying on shrouded

1336
01:09:55,480 --> 01:09:53,089
on a fabric a number of air police stood

1337
01:09:58,480 --> 01:09:55,490
silent guard around these crates that

1338
01:10:02,260 --> 01:09:58,490
were going to to wright-patterson so

1339
01:10:05,290 --> 01:10:02,270
they could be autopsy he got a glimpse

1340
01:10:07,360 --> 01:10:05,300
of humanoid features heads that were

1341
01:10:11,470 --> 01:10:07,370
disproportionately larger than the

1342
01:10:14,410 --> 01:10:11,480
bodies at least to our perception one

1343
01:10:17,410 --> 01:10:14,420
had appeared to be hairless and narrow

1344
01:10:20,830 --> 01:10:17,420
in other cases there was fuzzy thin hair

1345
01:10:24,310 --> 01:10:20,840
on the aliens heads the the eyes seemed

1346
01:10:27,580 --> 01:10:24,320
to be open this the mouth small while

1347
01:10:31,000 --> 01:10:27,590
the nose if any was indistinct of course

1348
01:10:32,950 --> 01:10:31,010
some most of them even burned badly the

1349
01:10:34,870 --> 01:10:32,960
humanoids arms were positioned down

1350
01:10:40,120 --> 01:10:34,880
alongside their bodies but their hands

1351
01:10:42,670 --> 01:10:40,130
and feet were indistinct in one case a

1352
01:10:46,210 --> 01:10:42,680
guard reported that he thought one of

1353
01:10:49,230 --> 01:10:46,220
them had a muscular chest and it turned

1354
01:10:54,430 --> 01:10:49,240
out to be the bumps of a female's breast

1355
01:10:57,670 --> 01:10:54,440
and in another case one was said to be

1356
01:11:02,410 --> 01:10:57,680
still alive they offered it oxygen but

1357
01:11:05,710 --> 01:11:02,420
it died and their silver suits were not

1358
01:11:08,560 --> 01:11:05,720
damaged but had welded to their bodies

1359
01:11:11,950 --> 01:11:08,570
because of the heat from fires of the of

1360
01:11:15,250 --> 01:11:11,960
the crash and you know Leonard

1361
01:11:22,060 --> 01:11:15,260
Stringfield and Richard Hall were very

1362
01:11:23,560 --> 01:11:22,070
meticulous respectable men the autopsy

1363
01:11:25,080 --> 01:11:23,570
that turned out to be a fake in the

1364
01:11:29,580 --> 01:11:25,090
nineties

1365
01:11:33,780 --> 01:11:29,590
no comparison I mean they they were

1366
01:11:37,260 --> 01:11:33,790
sincere and what they what Leonard

1367
01:11:39,240 --> 01:11:37,270
reported you know has been kind of

1368
01:11:43,200 --> 01:11:39,250
verified in other ways too I think with

1369
01:11:45,990 --> 01:11:43,210
wright-patterson and to me that's that's

1370
01:11:48,570 --> 01:11:46,000
an area that's kind of not remembered

1371
01:11:52,800 --> 01:11:48,580
much anymore and as some of the the

1372
01:11:56,250 --> 01:11:52,810
strongest evidence of ETS but to me it's

1373
01:12:00,030 --> 01:11:56,260
also extra evidence for the fact that

1374
01:12:03,230 --> 01:12:00,040
they're human very human if if they were

1375
01:12:05,430 --> 01:12:03,240
you know we were talking earlier about

1376
01:12:08,070 --> 01:12:05,440
you know abductions we've touched on

1377
01:12:09,740 --> 01:12:08,080
that a couple times what people are now

1378
01:12:14,160 --> 01:12:09,750
they're calling experience or

1379
01:12:17,700 --> 01:12:14,170
experiences I guess but if let's just

1380
01:12:21,140 --> 01:12:17,710
take your thoughts on what you know may

1381
01:12:24,620 --> 01:12:21,150
we may be seeing us from the future or

1382
01:12:27,630 --> 01:12:24,630
future beings why would there be so much

1383
01:12:30,000 --> 01:12:27,640
trauma reported in a lot of you know

1384
01:12:31,830 --> 01:12:30,010
what people are claiming happens to them

1385
01:12:34,560 --> 01:12:31,840
when they're abducted I mean wouldn't it

1386
01:12:37,260 --> 01:12:34,570
make more sense that if it was us from

1387
01:12:39,810 --> 01:12:37,270
the future that would be more gentle and

1388
01:12:44,400 --> 01:12:39,820
more understanding with with our weather

1389
01:12:47,910 --> 01:12:44,410
I asked the question in in heavy font

1390
01:12:51,270 --> 01:12:47,920
what terrible species would abduct human

1391
01:12:55,970 --> 01:12:51,280
beings one answer is true human beings

1392
01:12:58,620 --> 01:12:55,980
would abduct human beings but we have

1393
01:13:02,250 --> 01:12:58,630
committed genocide on each other and

1394
01:13:06,390 --> 01:13:02,260
still still are we've enslaved each

1395
01:13:09,630 --> 01:13:06,400
other we've in the case of the Native

1396
01:13:12,150 --> 01:13:09,640
Americans either genocide or driven them

1397
01:13:14,970 --> 01:13:12,160
to either arid climates or very cold

1398
01:13:19,980 --> 01:13:14,980
climates and we kept the fertile land of

1399
01:13:24,210 --> 01:13:19,990
Iowa and so you know man see and

1400
01:13:26,130 --> 01:13:24,220
humanity demand is endless and possibly

1401
01:13:29,040 --> 01:13:26,140
they're a little more enlightened than

1402
01:13:32,820 --> 01:13:29,050
we are because they seem to catch and

1403
01:13:35,490 --> 01:13:32,830
release and I I think they would be or

1404
01:13:38,430 --> 01:13:35,500
see I think it's a military or quasi

1405
01:13:42,060 --> 01:13:38,440
military unit

1406
01:13:44,820 --> 01:13:42,070
trained for time experiences to come

1407
01:13:48,810 --> 01:13:44,830
back I don't think it's pedestrians on a

1408
01:13:51,479 --> 01:13:48,820
vacation I think it's a military-trained

1409
01:13:55,260 --> 01:13:51,489
thing and they are to be cold and

1410
01:13:58,110 --> 01:13:55,270
distant and scary so that we don't

1411
01:14:00,870 --> 01:13:58,120
really start to chat or catch on to

1412
01:14:03,959 --> 01:14:00,880
anything and I think they need something

1413
01:14:08,459 --> 01:14:03,969
from us because there are so many tissue

1414
01:14:11,790 --> 01:14:08,469
samples and similar possibly for DNA

1415
01:14:16,080 --> 01:14:11,800
maybe there they we are having trouble

1416
01:14:20,880 --> 01:14:16,090
with our too much nuclear radiation with

1417
01:14:22,830 --> 01:14:20,890
with our DNA so I think the reason that

1418
01:14:25,410 --> 01:14:22,840
they catch and release and our

1419
01:14:29,160 --> 01:14:25,420
frightening is because that's the way

1420
01:14:32,280 --> 01:14:29,170
they are ordered to be and you know for

1421
01:14:35,189 --> 01:14:32,290
all we know they may be a lot of it is

1422
01:14:38,550 --> 01:14:35,199
artificial intelligence that humans

1423
01:14:41,910 --> 01:14:38,560
created I don't think et that we need to

1424
01:14:45,060 --> 01:14:41,920
think et's create part of you know it to

1425
01:14:47,600 --> 01:14:45,070
me it makes sense that that artificial

1426
01:14:51,530 --> 01:14:47,610
intelligence might be lacking emotion

1427
01:14:55,590 --> 01:14:51,540
unless you get into conscious artificial

1428
01:14:59,240 --> 01:14:55,600
intelligence but to me that that answers

1429
01:15:05,189 --> 01:14:59,250
your question fairly fairly well I just

1430
01:15:07,890 --> 01:15:05,199
said yeah yeah so if the one thing I'm

1431
01:15:11,520 --> 01:15:07,900
sure you've heard a million times of the

1432
01:15:15,060 --> 01:15:11,530
butterfly effect the the next question

1433
01:15:18,600 --> 01:15:15,070
I'd say to you like so that that just

1434
01:15:21,020 --> 01:15:18,610
goes along if if someone alters the

1435
01:15:24,750 --> 01:15:21,030
pasture then they alter you know perhaps

1436
01:15:27,600 --> 01:15:24,760
them selves being born you know you can

1437
01:15:30,390 --> 01:15:27,610
alter one thing and in the world

1438
01:15:33,030 --> 01:15:30,400
basically and it may change some events

1439
01:15:35,939 --> 01:15:33,040
that makes it so the world doesn't

1440
01:15:38,370 --> 01:15:35,949
happen the way it had that type of thing

1441
01:15:40,560 --> 01:15:38,380
if you went back in time and the one

1442
01:15:44,850 --> 01:15:40,570
thing that I just think of is you know

1443
01:15:46,979 --> 01:15:44,860
they're not hiding they're not you know

1444
01:15:50,220 --> 01:15:46,989
they're there's you know a lot of people

1445
01:15:51,939 --> 01:15:50,230
experiencing these things and and it

1446
01:15:54,969 --> 01:15:51,949
seems like it would alter or

1447
01:15:58,149 --> 01:15:54,979
to alter the future you know maybe not a

1448
01:16:02,379 --> 01:15:58,159
UFO sighting but maybe a UFO sighting

1449
01:16:05,439 --> 01:16:02,389
could you know the UFOs could have

1450
01:16:07,689 --> 01:16:05,449
altered you know things that has altered

1451
01:16:10,750 --> 01:16:07,699
some things right now as far as what the

1452
01:16:13,719 --> 01:16:10,760
Navy is is doing and all that yeah that

1453
01:16:17,799 --> 01:16:13,729
gets into to physics to the Novikov loop

1454
01:16:19,500 --> 01:16:17,809
that dr. Cerf ID taught me about so I

1455
01:16:23,979 --> 01:16:19,510
don't know what you're talking about

1456
01:16:26,680 --> 01:16:23,989
right yeah what is that what it was at

1457
01:16:28,870 --> 01:16:26,690
your target it's Novikov was an old

1458
01:16:31,870 --> 01:16:28,880
Russian in the 1800s that came up with

1459
01:16:37,600 --> 01:16:31,880
this that physics does accept us as fact

1460
01:16:42,569 --> 01:16:37,610
that you it's a you can't change the

1461
01:16:46,479 --> 01:16:42,579
future because if you think you had it

1462
01:16:49,359 --> 01:16:46,489
whatever you did you're you you did do

1463
01:16:52,750 --> 01:16:49,369
it you can't escape in other words you

1464
01:16:57,969 --> 01:16:52,760
can't kill your grandfather because you

1465
01:17:01,000 --> 01:16:57,979
exist so it's a non escape I know the

1466
01:17:04,239 --> 01:17:01,010
multifarious gets very the says that

1467
01:17:05,979 --> 01:17:04,249
there are alternate dimensions but

1468
01:17:08,919 --> 01:17:05,989
whether we can actually get to the

1469
01:17:12,399 --> 01:17:08,929
alternate dimension we may be locked in

1470
01:17:18,060 --> 01:17:12,409
our original past and then other use

1471
01:17:22,319 --> 01:17:18,070
would go in the alternate dimensions but

1472
01:17:25,770 --> 01:17:22,329
Novikov loop says that it's almost like

1473
01:17:29,319 --> 01:17:25,780
predestination that you are locked into

1474
01:17:32,319 --> 01:17:29,329
I'm not getting my definition wording

1475
01:17:34,600 --> 01:17:32,329
exactly right but that you can't change

1476
01:17:37,870 --> 01:17:34,610
the future because what you think

1477
01:17:40,839 --> 01:17:37,880
changes the future always happened so I

1478
01:17:43,060 --> 01:17:40,849
guess if you if you cause somebody

1479
01:17:45,759 --> 01:17:43,070
looking at a UFO to get run over by a

1480
01:17:48,839 --> 01:17:45,769
bus they would have been run over by the

1481
01:17:58,390 --> 01:17:48,849
bus anyway so they really can't change

1482
01:18:00,250 --> 01:17:58,400
the future Wow that's my head hurts well

1483
01:18:02,199 --> 01:18:00,260
interesting so I'm gonna open up the

1484
01:18:05,410 --> 01:18:02,209
lines if anyone wants to call in ask our

1485
01:18:09,939 --> 01:18:05,420
guest a question of that number is

1486
01:18:13,300 --> 01:18:09,949
eight five five four seven two five four

1487
01:18:15,820 --> 01:18:13,310
eight three and we do have a race of

1488
01:18:17,830 --> 01:18:15,830
screening calls standing by so if anyone

1489
01:18:20,850 --> 01:18:17,840
would like to call in I ask our guests a

1490
01:18:24,270 --> 01:18:20,860
question a question please do call and

1491
01:18:26,439 --> 01:18:24,280
speaking of that and just a reminder to

1492
01:18:28,150 --> 01:18:26,449
the people that listen to the show I

1493
01:18:30,790 --> 01:18:28,160
would love to have a lot of calls coming

1494
01:18:33,970 --> 01:18:30,800
up on show that's going to be just a

1495
01:18:35,140 --> 01:18:33,980
listener show only it's a it's st.

1496
01:18:40,120 --> 01:18:35,150
Patrick's Day I hope that doesn't

1497
01:18:43,120 --> 01:18:40,130
curtail anything but it is on March 17th

1498
01:18:45,520 --> 01:18:43,130
that's a Tuesday at 6 to 8 p.m. Eastern

1499
01:18:46,780 --> 01:18:45,530
Standard Time love to take your call and

1500
01:18:49,060 --> 01:18:46,790
talk about sightings or whatever you

1501
01:18:53,650 --> 01:18:49,070
want to speak about so that's coming up

1502
01:18:57,600 --> 01:18:53,660
on the 7th 17th of next month which next

1503
01:19:00,750 --> 01:18:57,610
month it's just in a couple of days so

1504
01:19:03,189 --> 01:19:00,760
yeah that is that's interesting so many

1505
01:19:05,890 --> 01:19:03,199
paradoxes and things to think about when

1506
01:19:07,959 --> 01:19:05,900
you're when you're talking about time

1507
01:19:10,750 --> 01:19:07,969
travel remember as a kid as a joke I

1508
01:19:12,669 --> 01:19:10,760
used to say you know I had a lot of

1509
01:19:15,790 --> 01:19:12,679
corny stupid things I used to say I do

1510
01:19:17,260 --> 01:19:15,800
admit that but I used to say that time

1511
01:19:19,300 --> 01:19:17,270
travel it never happened because we

1512
01:19:21,959 --> 01:19:19,310
don't see anyone from the future well

1513
01:19:26,110 --> 01:19:21,969
maybe I was wrong about that maybe we do

1514
01:19:28,240 --> 01:19:26,120
how do we know that might be the

1515
01:19:29,979 --> 01:19:28,250
question but I don't think that they

1516
01:19:33,040 --> 01:19:29,989
just come down you know you'll have

1517
01:19:35,650 --> 01:19:33,050
people on video that say well I'm a time

1518
01:19:39,130 --> 01:19:35,660
traveler from and I'm always really

1519
01:19:40,930 --> 01:19:39,140
skeptical of that okay who was that guy

1520
01:19:44,410 --> 01:19:40,940
that was saying he was the time traveler

1521
01:19:49,209 --> 01:19:44,420
was really an art Bell and he went he

1522
01:19:52,689 --> 01:19:49,219
was on a bunch of dots Iago I don't want

1523
01:19:54,240 --> 01:19:52,699
to name somebody that wrongly oh no it

1524
01:19:57,100 --> 01:19:54,250
wasn't that

1525
01:19:59,140 --> 01:19:57,110
what's that hi oh you got a couple calls

1526
01:20:02,880 --> 01:19:59,150
coming in race I'd see it but it was

1527
01:20:07,510 --> 01:20:02,890
tighter that's it tighter ti-ti t o r

1528
01:20:10,090 --> 01:20:07,520
whatever happened to him well we know we

1529
01:20:12,970 --> 01:20:10,100
have some calls coming in and they're

1530
01:20:14,950 --> 01:20:12,980
just being screened right now so I will

1531
01:20:17,400 --> 01:20:14,960
take that in just one second before we

1532
01:20:20,790 --> 01:20:17,410
get into our

1533
01:20:24,930 --> 01:20:20,800
next topic but yeah that that guy was

1534
01:20:27,030 --> 01:20:24,940
really really something he was on a

1535
01:20:30,030 --> 01:20:27,040
whole bunch of shows and he had claimed

1536
01:20:32,550 --> 01:20:30,040
all these things and and when it came

1537
01:20:34,050 --> 01:20:32,560
right down to it he said that he was

1538
01:20:35,820 --> 01:20:34,060
sent back because he was sick or

1539
01:20:40,110 --> 01:20:35,830
something I can't remember exactly what

1540
01:20:44,610 --> 01:20:40,120
that was but I don't know whatever

1541
01:20:47,250 --> 01:20:44,620
happened to him to me the beauty of my

1542
01:20:50,130 --> 01:20:47,260
book is that it's just really connecting

1543
01:20:51,930 --> 01:20:50,140
dots that we've never connected and you

1544
01:20:54,090 --> 01:20:51,940
know I don't say you got to believe that

1545
01:20:57,450 --> 01:20:54,100
but it's just something that's been

1546
01:20:59,820 --> 01:20:57,460
overlooked and I think it kind of makes

1547
01:21:05,070 --> 01:20:59,830
sense to at least you know think about

1548
01:21:08,340 --> 01:21:05,080
it that's that's it's not a you know I'm

1549
01:21:10,380 --> 01:21:08,350
not an expert on on them really I'm

1550
01:21:13,800 --> 01:21:10,390
looking at it from where I am here in

1551
01:21:19,560 --> 01:21:13,810
the current place and thinking gee maybe

1552
01:21:21,330 --> 01:21:19,570
it is us well you know so I don't know

1553
01:21:25,800 --> 01:21:21,340
if we're having issues with the phone

1554
01:21:27,830 --> 01:21:25,810
I'm taking a look at that now hopefully

1555
01:21:30,810 --> 01:21:27,840
everything is all set going on with that

1556
01:21:35,310 --> 01:21:30,820
but we do have a couple of calls lined

1557
01:21:37,350 --> 01:21:35,320
up just waiting for the go here - yeah -

1558
01:21:41,960 --> 01:21:37,360
take them ha they keep hanging up I

1559
01:21:44,580 --> 01:21:41,970
wonder if they're hanging up on anyway

1560
01:21:47,700 --> 01:21:44,590
yeah you know these are these are all

1561
01:21:53,990 --> 01:21:47,710
thoughts you can kick around of course

1562
01:22:00,870 --> 01:21:59,430
it's just something to kick around have

1563
01:22:02,820 --> 01:22:00,880
you had a lot of you said you've

1564
01:22:07,620 --> 01:22:02,830
communicated with a few people at least

1565
01:22:11,010 --> 01:22:07,630
dr. Michael masters jackster Fadi to a

1566
01:22:11,610 --> 01:22:11,020
limited degree we are not not Jack's

1567
01:22:15,750 --> 01:22:11,620
sorry

1568
01:22:18,210 --> 01:22:15,760
Jacque fell a limited degree Jack's our

1569
01:22:21,390 --> 01:22:18,220
father and I talk every day we're kind

1570
01:22:24,840 --> 01:22:21,400
of friends on email but Jacques valet

1571
01:22:27,630 --> 01:22:24,850
gave permission to use his paper and I

1572
01:22:30,680 --> 01:22:27,640
was I was very honored at that

1573
01:22:34,640 --> 01:22:30,690
he said something here you can interrupt

1574
01:22:37,939 --> 01:22:34,650
if the call comes through but I just

1575
01:22:40,250 --> 01:22:37,949
wanted to quote he says such from this

1576
01:22:41,990 --> 01:22:40,260
paper in my that's in the book such

1577
01:22:44,900 --> 01:22:42,000
travelers could perform many of the

1578
01:22:47,810 --> 01:22:44,910
physical feats absque Ribe to you you've

1579
01:22:50,450 --> 01:22:47,820
you've not you've not and they could

1580
01:22:52,340 --> 01:22:50,460
also manifest simultaneously through

1581
01:22:53,150 --> 01:22:52,350
what appears to us as different periods

1582
01:22:56,300 --> 01:22:53,160
in our history

1583
01:22:58,820 --> 01:22:56,310
this hypothesis represents an updating

1584
01:23:03,500 --> 01:22:58,830
of the extra-terrestrial hypothesis

1585
01:23:05,030 --> 01:23:03,510
which in fact who visits us can be from

1586
01:23:07,550 --> 01:23:05,040
anywhere at any time

1587
01:23:10,520 --> 01:23:07,560
and could even originate from our own

1588
01:23:12,890 --> 01:23:10,530
earth and that's what he is always you

1589
01:23:15,709 --> 01:23:12,900
know he's he's mentioned fairies and and

1590
01:23:17,810 --> 01:23:15,719
things back in history and then they

1591
01:23:21,740 --> 01:23:17,820
updated themselves to spacecraft

1592
01:23:24,340 --> 01:23:21,750
whatever they are but he doesn't

1593
01:23:27,800 --> 01:23:24,350
disallow that there are future humans

1594
01:23:31,670 --> 01:23:27,810
that isn't his his answer necessarily

1595
01:23:36,200 --> 01:23:31,680
but this quote does sort of describe

1596
01:23:39,439 --> 01:23:36,210
future humans or could and he's involved

1597
01:23:41,780 --> 01:23:39,449
now in venture capital with going to

1598
01:23:44,709 --> 01:23:41,790
space so he obviously thinks there's a

1599
01:23:47,959 --> 01:23:44,719
future that he's creating or

1600
01:23:53,270 --> 01:23:47,969
participating in making which is what

1601
01:23:54,620 --> 01:23:53,280
dr. Sarfati feels too well well really

1602
01:23:57,740 --> 01:23:54,630
interesting

1603
01:24:00,320 --> 01:23:57,750
yeah Jacques is is a quite an

1604
01:24:02,510 --> 01:24:00,330
interesting guy I guess I'm gonna tell

1605
01:24:06,470 --> 01:24:02,520
the people of the phone I'm not sure

1606
01:24:09,380 --> 01:24:06,480
what's going on at the kgr a radio race

1607
01:24:13,010 --> 01:24:09,390
is working on it so I will we'll pull

1608
01:24:16,450 --> 01:24:13,020
the phones for right now it's hoping

1609
01:24:18,979 --> 01:24:16,460
this wouldn't happen again but anyway

1610
01:24:20,660 --> 01:24:18,989
we're rebooting the system is basically

1611
01:24:23,270 --> 01:24:20,670
what it looks like what is happening so

1612
01:24:26,360 --> 01:24:23,280
callers hang in there we'll be we'll be

1613
01:24:28,900 --> 01:24:26,370
back with a asking you to call in in a

1614
01:24:32,360 --> 01:24:28,910
few minutes so just hang in there and

1615
01:24:37,820 --> 01:24:32,370
how that goes I was I was interested in

1616
01:24:42,020 --> 01:24:37,830
the fact that Travis Walton saw small

1617
01:24:43,919 --> 01:24:42,030
beings who he was scared of at first he

1618
01:24:46,590 --> 01:24:43,929
had been hit on the head or

1619
01:24:49,080 --> 01:24:46,600
with the array from the ship or the

1620
01:24:53,430 --> 01:24:49,090
energy hit him and he had a head injury

1621
01:24:55,410 --> 01:24:53,440
and he really attacked or freaked out at

1622
01:24:57,090 --> 01:24:55,420
these little beings I think they were

1623
01:25:00,600 --> 01:24:57,100
kind of insect-like

1624
01:25:04,050 --> 01:25:00,610
and I remembered in hypnosis two little

1625
01:25:09,810 --> 01:25:04,060
beings are little I guess small humans

1626
01:25:11,820 --> 01:25:09,820
that got me to where this one might call

1627
01:25:13,770 --> 01:25:11,830
him my special one because he didn't

1628
01:25:16,470 --> 01:25:13,780
give me his name I don't aim it as a

1629
01:25:19,649 --> 01:25:16,480
huge endearment but I didn't I that's

1630
01:25:21,660 --> 01:25:19,659
what I refer to him and one of the

1631
01:25:25,050 --> 01:25:21,670
little beings that seemed to get me to

1632
01:25:28,229 --> 01:25:25,060
where I was supposed to go was had a

1633
01:25:33,209 --> 01:25:28,239
more insect-like look about him

1634
01:25:36,870 --> 01:25:33,219
kind of like an Iowa grasshopper but so

1635
01:25:38,640 --> 01:25:36,880
Travis sort of attacked or started to

1636
01:25:42,709 --> 01:25:38,650
these little beings and they just stood

1637
01:25:47,880 --> 01:25:42,719
there and then that's when the few the

1638
01:25:50,160 --> 01:25:47,890
golden humans that term kind of annoying

1639
01:25:53,570 --> 01:25:50,170
for some reason but anyway the almost

1640
01:25:56,070 --> 01:25:53,580
perfect looking humans showed up and

1641
01:26:00,540 --> 01:25:56,080
apparently saved him did something

1642
01:26:04,890 --> 01:26:00,550
medically they took him somewhere and so

1643
01:26:07,740 --> 01:26:04,900
my experience matches Travis's and that

1644
01:26:09,570 --> 01:26:07,750
I in hypnosis I remembered the small

1645
01:26:14,550 --> 01:26:09,580
beans also I don't remember them

1646
01:26:19,140 --> 01:26:14,560
consciously but the the being I met the

1647
01:26:22,800 --> 01:26:19,150
guy was would be considered a golden

1648
01:26:26,459 --> 01:26:22,810
human he wasn't a tall tall human I

1649
01:26:31,439 --> 01:26:26,469
he just had casual hair I mean he wasn't

1650
01:26:34,770 --> 01:26:31,449
military like he was but his his eyes

1651
01:26:37,380 --> 01:26:34,780
were different and I believe you know in

1652
01:26:40,500 --> 01:26:37,390
Travis's the illustrations of Travis's

1653
01:26:43,770 --> 01:26:40,510
experience those also had kind of

1654
01:26:46,620 --> 01:26:43,780
different eyes almost why a wide set

1655
01:26:49,560 --> 01:26:46,630
really wide set and maybe kind of

1656
01:26:52,200 --> 01:26:49,570
translucent hmm

1657
01:26:53,580 --> 01:26:52,210
I've talked to I've taught at Travis has

1658
01:26:56,669 --> 01:26:53,590
been on this show a number of times that

1659
01:26:57,870 --> 01:26:56,679
I've actually talked to him at an event

1660
01:27:01,290 --> 01:26:57,880
we hung out

1661
01:27:04,320 --> 01:27:01,300
together for quite a while and actually

1662
01:27:07,229 --> 01:27:04,330
he's very intelligent and well-spoken

1663
01:27:10,280 --> 01:27:07,239
and and we got into talking about all

1664
01:27:12,689 --> 01:27:10,290
different topics but asking him about

1665
01:27:14,750 --> 01:27:12,699
you know first of all about the beings

1666
01:27:19,470 --> 01:27:14,760
this the small ones that you mentioned

1667
01:27:21,450 --> 01:27:19,480
he said the eyes were were just

1668
01:27:24,090 --> 01:27:21,460
incredible something about the rise was

1669
01:27:27,570 --> 01:27:24,100
just incredible like the way they stared

1670
01:27:28,830 --> 01:27:27,580
at him in yeah I don't remember there

1671
01:27:32,459 --> 01:27:28,840
was so huh

1672
01:27:34,379 --> 01:27:32,469
what were they the big goggly almost

1673
01:27:36,209 --> 01:27:34,389
like they had black goggles on cuz I

1674
01:27:39,330 --> 01:27:36,219
wondered if maybe they did have black

1675
01:27:42,689 --> 01:27:39,340
goggles the really dark black eyes with

1676
01:27:48,660 --> 01:27:42,699
a really large yeah yeah and then he

1677
01:27:51,000 --> 01:27:48,670
said then he said that the the ones

1678
01:27:53,070 --> 01:27:51,010
you're talking about the other ones he

1679
01:27:54,990 --> 01:27:53,080
said they were absolutely beautiful

1680
01:27:56,790 --> 01:27:55,000
people he said I don't know how else to

1681
01:27:58,910 --> 01:27:56,800
describe it they were just yeah

1682
01:28:01,379 --> 01:27:58,920
amazingly beautiful people but they said

1683
01:28:05,250 --> 01:28:01,389
he thought he was he was thought he was

1684
01:28:07,919 --> 01:28:05,260
saved and then to find out you know they

1685
01:28:12,629 --> 01:28:07,929
they wouldn't talk and that really

1686
01:28:14,310 --> 01:28:12,639
puzzled him didn't you say that with at

1687
01:28:16,649 --> 01:28:14,320
least that's what I ran I have never

1688
01:28:18,959 --> 01:28:16,659
we're friends on Facebook but I've never

1689
01:28:21,750 --> 01:28:18,969
chatted with him I believe he said that

1690
01:28:27,180 --> 01:28:21,760
they put a mask on him I may be getting

1691
01:28:29,700 --> 01:28:27,190
that wrong yeah oh that's the part

1692
01:28:32,669 --> 01:28:29,710
you're talking about is up when he was

1693
01:28:34,979 --> 01:28:32,679
talking about the fact that he believes

1694
01:28:40,979 --> 01:28:34,989
that he was actually this was a rescue

1695
01:28:46,080 --> 01:28:40,989
mission that's what you mean when he got

1696
01:28:47,910 --> 01:28:46,090
zapped by the light that's yep yeah

1697
01:28:50,700 --> 01:28:47,920
alright we're gonna try to take this

1698
01:28:52,890 --> 01:28:50,710
call cross your fingers everyone okay

1699
01:28:54,950 --> 01:28:52,900
looks like we have Andrew calling again

1700
01:28:57,870 --> 01:28:54,960
from Connecticut Andrew you on the line

1701
01:29:01,620 --> 01:28:57,880
yes hi can you punch my frequent caller

1702
01:29:06,330 --> 01:29:01,630
card first I know what that will get you

1703
01:29:11,280 --> 01:29:06,340
but yes okay so my question for Dianne

1704
01:29:12,990 --> 01:29:11,290
is just is she familiar with a seer

1705
01:29:16,260 --> 01:29:13,000
and I think this might have been first

1706
01:29:19,710 --> 01:29:16,270
proposed by maybe John keel that our

1707
01:29:24,360 --> 01:29:19,720
dimension is you know length breadth

1708
01:29:27,000 --> 01:29:24,370
width and time and we are all the

1709
01:29:31,860 --> 01:29:27,010
molecules in our dimension are vibrating

1710
01:29:34,140 --> 01:29:31,870
at one frequency and this mentions

1711
01:29:36,810 --> 01:29:34,150
vibrated other frequencies and that

1712
01:29:42,540 --> 01:29:36,820
that's one of the mysteries we see or

1713
01:29:44,310 --> 01:29:42,550
phenomenon with UFOs there's do you come

1714
01:29:47,460 --> 01:29:44,320
across that you find that that's

1715
01:29:51,780 --> 01:29:47,470
probably one of the more valid theories

1716
01:29:57,780 --> 01:29:51,790
on how these interdimensional creatures

1717
01:30:01,230 --> 01:29:57,790
or craft come and go yes I would wonder

1718
01:30:05,240 --> 01:30:01,240
yes I do think it sounds one of the more

1719
01:30:09,620 --> 01:30:05,250
valid do you think that they can

1720
01:30:14,250 --> 01:30:09,630
actually do nuts and bolts or hands on

1721
01:30:17,190 --> 01:30:14,260
like tissue samples or the landing mark

1722
01:30:21,500 --> 01:30:17,200
the actual evidence throughout the years

1723
01:30:24,600 --> 01:30:21,510
what other dimensional beings be able to

1724
01:30:27,300 --> 01:30:24,610
interact with our dimension that much or

1725
01:30:35,040 --> 01:30:27,310
do we just see them in the the I I

1726
01:30:37,710 --> 01:30:35,050
wonder that but who knows I guess yeah

1727
01:30:41,040 --> 01:30:37,720
I've heard it I've heard it theorized

1728
01:30:43,860 --> 01:30:41,050
that they can enter our dimension and

1729
01:30:46,800 --> 01:30:43,870
stay briefly but that it's harmful to

1730
01:30:48,450 --> 01:30:46,810
them to stay long-term because air

1731
01:30:51,090 --> 01:30:48,460
molecules and so on

1732
01:30:57,210 --> 01:30:51,100
aren't aren't tuned to this frequency

1733
01:31:01,110 --> 01:30:57,220
right that's why they can't stay I think

1734
01:31:04,170 --> 01:31:01,120
when you look at modern physics and all

1735
01:31:07,110 --> 01:31:04,180
the different fields out there that

1736
01:31:09,060 --> 01:31:07,120
they're constantly studying and

1737
01:31:13,500 --> 01:31:09,070
expanding our knowledge that that's that

1738
01:31:17,040 --> 01:31:13,510
is one of the more valid theories hmm

1739
01:31:19,980 --> 01:31:17,050
what one analogy he gave this is John

1740
01:31:23,970 --> 01:31:19,990
keel was that we're like fish in a river

1741
01:31:24,560 --> 01:31:23,980
and we can swim anywhere we want in our

1742
01:31:26,600 --> 01:31:24,570
river

1743
01:31:28,490 --> 01:31:26,610
and go up go down look all over the

1744
01:31:31,130 --> 01:31:28,500
place but we're stuck in the river and

1745
01:31:33,860 --> 01:31:31,140
there's other creatures can leave the

1746
01:31:36,320 --> 01:31:33,870
river and walk up to atop the top of a

1747
01:31:38,630 --> 01:31:36,330
mountain look around and then come back

1748
01:31:41,540 --> 01:31:38,640
into the river wherever they choose and

1749
01:31:43,150 --> 01:31:41,550
that I thought that really stuck with me

1750
01:31:45,890 --> 01:31:43,160
mm-hmm

1751
01:31:48,170 --> 01:31:45,900
yeah I

1752
01:31:51,520 --> 01:31:48,180
that would seem one of the more valid to

1753
01:31:56,920 --> 01:31:51,530
me to I guess I'd say having been

1754
01:32:00,590 --> 01:31:56,930
talking a lot with dr. Sarfatti that if

1755
01:32:03,560 --> 01:32:00,600
we could get the formula for time travel

1756
01:32:05,990 --> 01:32:03,570
it's almost you know Occam's razor that

1757
01:32:09,110 --> 01:32:06,000
says the least number of assumptions is

1758
01:32:11,840 --> 01:32:09,120
the right answer while it's a very big

1759
01:32:14,120 --> 01:32:11,850
one assumption that we'll be able to go

1760
01:32:18,650 --> 01:32:14,130
back in time I real but Einstein never

1761
01:32:22,610 --> 01:32:18,660
said it's impossible so I guess for me I

1762
01:32:26,300 --> 01:32:22,620
would think that was maybe more more

1763
01:32:29,630 --> 01:32:26,310
likely but it could be both or I could

1764
01:32:33,670 --> 01:32:29,640
be wrong that's possible and I think

1765
01:32:37,550 --> 01:32:33,680
your theory is is a good one great good

1766
01:32:39,470 --> 01:32:37,560
about what I thought you say okay yes

1767
01:32:42,620 --> 01:32:39,480
Andrew thanks a lot and don't forget the

1768
01:32:44,390 --> 01:32:42,630
17th you have to save me Andrew saved my

1769
01:32:46,430 --> 01:32:44,400
call where I was going to have to cancel

1770
01:32:49,700 --> 01:32:46,440
the show and and we talked for quite a

1771
01:32:53,690 --> 01:32:49,710
while so I don't forget that Andrew so

1772
01:32:57,070 --> 01:32:53,700
thank you okay all right good night all

1773
01:33:00,380 --> 01:32:57,080
right we have on the line we have Ward

1774
01:33:07,430 --> 01:33:00,390
Ward calling from Florida welcome to the

1775
01:33:11,240 --> 01:33:07,440
show Ward you have a question for our

1776
01:33:15,920 --> 01:33:11,250
guest tonight yes I do well and maybe

1777
01:33:19,670 --> 01:33:15,930
you two synchronicities I mean it's

1778
01:33:21,740 --> 01:33:19,680
they've been blowing up used to be every

1779
01:33:26,390 --> 01:33:21,750
once in a while now I mean getting like

1780
01:33:28,850 --> 01:33:26,400
maybe 20 a day and I saw on a different

1781
01:33:31,190 --> 01:33:28,860
video that this is happening all over

1782
01:33:33,260 --> 01:33:31,200
the place but then when I contacted

1783
01:33:37,280 --> 01:33:33,270
somebody else they said no it's not

1784
01:33:38,090 --> 01:33:37,290
happening to them is she having any kind

1785
01:33:40,360 --> 01:33:38,100
of synchronous

1786
01:33:43,430 --> 01:33:40,370
these are you or is it no words just

1787
01:33:47,600 --> 01:33:43,440
something that you know really isn't

1788
01:33:51,140 --> 01:33:47,610
happening I I have synchronicities

1789
01:33:55,430 --> 01:33:51,150
fairly often with my best friend of over

1790
01:33:57,880 --> 01:33:55,440
40 years who lives in in California as

1791
01:34:01,880 --> 01:33:57,890
far as synchronicities happen I mean

1792
01:34:04,280 --> 01:34:01,890
Here I am out in rural Iowa there's

1793
01:34:11,240 --> 01:34:04,290
almost nobody to bounce it off of to

1794
01:34:13,700 --> 01:34:11,250
find out if I'm having but yeah I

1795
01:34:24,620 --> 01:34:13,710
certainly had them fairly often not not

1796
01:34:27,230 --> 01:34:24,630
as often as you're saying my mother they

1797
01:34:29,360 --> 01:34:27,240
used to be that I was getting them every

1798
01:34:31,160 --> 01:34:29,370
once in a while and yes I would think of

1799
01:34:34,040 --> 01:34:31,170
something and I hear my daughter say it

1800
01:34:35,780 --> 01:34:34,050
or my mother said her person and I'm

1801
01:34:39,590 --> 01:34:35,790
lying safe but now it seems to all be

1802
01:34:41,480 --> 01:34:39,600
like electronic whir I'll be thinking of

1803
01:34:43,820 --> 01:34:41,490
something or I'll have like two things

1804
01:34:49,210 --> 01:34:43,830
going I'll have my radio going and the

1805
01:34:51,650 --> 01:34:49,220
TV going and at the same exact time the

1806
01:34:56,950 --> 01:34:51,660
radio says washing machine all of a

1807
01:35:02,020 --> 01:35:00,200
constantly and I I just never saw it so

1808
01:35:04,310 --> 01:35:02,030
crazy like this before

1809
01:35:07,870 --> 01:35:04,320
I'm just trying to figure out is it

1810
01:35:10,580 --> 01:35:07,880
something coming or no what's going on

1811
01:35:13,760 --> 01:35:10,590
I've certainly had it happen I know what

1812
01:35:16,880 --> 01:35:13,770
you're saying but not as frequently what

1813
01:35:20,270 --> 01:35:16,890
about you Martin I think I did you know

1814
01:35:24,370 --> 01:35:20,280
at one time I did I did I did notice but

1815
01:35:27,830 --> 01:35:24,380
I do I do thank you for the call wort

1816
01:35:31,130 --> 01:35:27,840
appreciate it all right all right next

1817
01:35:34,250 --> 01:35:31,140
we have we have Brock on the line from

1818
01:35:37,610 --> 01:35:34,260
Dayton Ohio isn't that near a right

1819
01:35:41,270 --> 01:35:37,620
Patterson Patterson Brock how are you

1820
01:35:44,180 --> 01:35:41,280
that is I'm good right that's like ten

1821
01:35:48,770 --> 01:35:44,190
minutes from here so ah yeah how are ya

1822
01:35:51,299 --> 01:35:48,780
welcome to the show yeah so I guess I

1823
01:35:53,689 --> 01:35:51,309
was wondering like

1824
01:35:56,849 --> 01:35:53,699
along the lines what Andrew was saying

1825
01:36:00,719 --> 01:35:56,859
regarding like these aliens being able

1826
01:36:03,929 --> 01:36:00,729
to kind of dip in and dip out of time

1827
01:36:06,209 --> 01:36:03,939
I was wondering like if if Diane thought

1828
01:36:09,959 --> 01:36:06,219
that maybe they were alike higher

1829
01:36:12,689 --> 01:36:09,969
dimensional beings in that you know like

1830
01:36:14,969 --> 01:36:12,699
a fourth or fifth dimensional being

1831
01:36:17,219 --> 01:36:14,979
could see like perceived the passing of

1832
01:36:24,659 --> 01:36:17,229
time like we perceive like whit's

1833
01:36:27,089 --> 01:36:24,669
heights and yeah but like if you get to

1834
01:36:29,819 --> 01:36:27,099
like higher level like like up to like

1835
01:36:32,189 --> 01:36:29,829
seven eight even nine dimensional it's

1836
01:36:35,369 --> 01:36:32,199
like not only can you see the passing of

1837
01:36:37,529 --> 01:36:35,379
time but you can also see like different

1838
01:36:41,819 --> 01:36:37,539
alternate universes you know where

1839
01:36:43,500 --> 01:36:41,829
things like say or different events

1840
01:36:45,509 --> 01:36:43,510
happen and it creates like a different

1841
01:36:48,959 --> 01:36:45,519
timeline and like it's these higher

1842
01:36:52,589 --> 01:36:48,969
dimensional beings and this maybe is how

1843
01:36:54,359 --> 01:36:52,599
they navigate through space-time is they

1844
01:36:55,979 --> 01:36:54,369
can perceive like these different

1845
01:36:59,250 --> 01:36:55,989
timelines and stuff and they're kind of

1846
01:37:01,349 --> 01:36:59,260
moving back and forth between these

1847
01:37:04,739 --> 01:37:01,359
different timelines and different paths

1848
01:37:07,969 --> 01:37:04,749
and creatures I don't know is that

1849
01:37:10,979 --> 01:37:07,979
something you thought maybe yeah yeah

1850
01:37:13,949 --> 01:37:10,989
that could be I guess

1851
01:37:15,089 --> 01:37:13,959
there's there's two sides sort of to the

1852
01:37:20,129 --> 01:37:15,099
UFO issue

1853
01:37:23,059 --> 01:37:20,139
there's subjective and metaphysical and

1854
01:37:29,719 --> 01:37:23,069
then there's objective and scientific

1855
01:37:33,629 --> 01:37:29,729
like I know dr. Sarfati who's a really

1856
01:37:36,869 --> 01:37:33,639
aggressive science thinker would say

1857
01:37:39,270 --> 01:37:36,879
well that doesn't match our knowledge of

1858
01:37:42,679 --> 01:37:39,280
what we know but then there's a lot we

1859
01:37:45,270 --> 01:37:42,689
don't know but on the subjective side

1860
01:37:49,849 --> 01:37:45,280
I'll just say that what you're saying is

1861
01:37:54,929 --> 01:37:49,859
subjective there's no it sounds like a

1862
01:37:57,509 --> 01:37:54,939
metaphysical explanation which could be

1863
01:38:01,529 --> 01:37:57,519
valid I mean metaphysics in itself is a

1864
01:38:05,339 --> 01:38:01,539
deep topic and I know it goes into ten

1865
01:38:08,989 --> 01:38:05,349
and eleven dimensions and all but

1866
01:38:15,509 --> 01:38:08,999
it's it's not Sciences we know it today

1867
01:38:18,479 --> 01:38:15,519
and I've certainly I respect it I don't

1868
01:38:29,250 --> 01:38:18,489
know if I believe exactly that but who

1869
01:38:30,239 --> 01:38:29,260
knows interesting Wow what we're two

1870
01:38:32,939 --> 01:38:30,249
sides of a coin

1871
01:38:34,770 --> 01:38:32,949
we're scientific and we're spiritual and

1872
01:38:38,540 --> 01:38:34,780
then metaphysics would be on the

1873
01:38:41,549 --> 01:38:38,550
spiritual side science logic even

1874
01:38:47,660 --> 01:38:41,559
practicality on the other side and to be

1875
01:38:55,830 --> 01:38:49,620
very good anything else

1876
01:38:58,529 --> 01:38:55,840
Brock not at this time no thanks for

1877
01:39:03,060 --> 01:38:58,539
taking work you bet thank you thanks for

1878
01:39:08,580 --> 01:39:03,070
calling in we have now Julian is calling

1879
01:39:10,589 --> 01:39:08,590
from Quebec hey Julien yeah yes sir mr.

1880
01:39:17,459 --> 01:39:10,599
Martin can you hear me I can hear you

1881
01:39:21,330 --> 01:39:17,469
well yes so you are north of me okay

1882
01:39:27,629 --> 01:39:21,340
look listen sorry if my English is like

1883
01:39:29,489 --> 01:39:27,639
pretty bad I'm like no problem lately

1884
01:39:32,549 --> 01:39:29,499
I've been I've been like listening those

1885
01:39:34,199 --> 01:39:32,559
story about Linda Moulton Howe with your

1886
01:39:37,469 --> 01:39:34,209
toes Antarctica

1887
01:39:40,709 --> 01:39:37,479
like deep story and things those those

1888
01:39:42,719 --> 01:39:40,719
caves and everything that anyway when

1889
01:39:47,069 --> 01:39:42,729
you listen to her it's like a big big

1890
01:39:49,739 --> 01:39:47,079
major a big major picture but I think I

1891
01:39:53,160 --> 01:39:49,749
felt like those things might be coming

1892
01:39:56,040 --> 01:39:53,170
from an original story like BCG mounting

1893
01:39:59,250 --> 01:39:56,050
I don't know with you here if you if you

1894
01:40:05,430 --> 01:39:59,260
heard about the BCG mounting Martin oh I

1895
01:40:08,120 --> 01:40:05,440
was wondering if you heard about it no

1896
01:40:10,319 --> 01:40:08,130
I'm not I may just not understand the

1897
01:40:14,429 --> 01:40:10,329
what is the name of the mountain once

1898
01:40:17,040 --> 01:40:14,439
one more time it's called bougie

1899
01:40:18,940 --> 01:40:17,050
mountain no I'm not familiar with that

1900
01:40:25,980 --> 01:40:18,950
that doesn't ring a bell

1901
01:40:39,480 --> 01:40:37,120
yes intriguing I mean where I am right

1902
01:40:42,460 --> 01:40:39,490
now I'm thinking about all those things

1903
01:40:47,340 --> 01:40:42,470
seems to be related to some kind of

1904
01:40:49,720 --> 01:40:47,350
inner her civilization somewhere I can

1905
01:40:52,930 --> 01:40:49,730
there's something out there some kind of

1906
01:40:56,200 --> 01:40:52,940
intelligence but I'm trying to figure

1907
01:40:57,390 --> 01:40:56,210
where where it could be standing you

1908
01:41:01,030 --> 01:40:57,400
know if they have like those

1909
01:41:07,600 --> 01:41:01,040
supermassive those engine able to move

1910
01:41:09,670 --> 01:41:07,610
like speed anyway it's like if you have

1911
01:41:10,870 --> 01:41:09,680
a super super engine that can move

1912
01:41:12,910 --> 01:41:10,880
Lightspeed

1913
01:41:14,770 --> 01:41:12,920
if you leave your home planet with

1914
01:41:18,070 --> 01:41:14,780
Lightspeed you can come back down on

1915
01:41:20,530 --> 01:41:18,080
planet your your time your time phase is

1916
01:41:24,250 --> 01:41:20,540
completely different you're like just if

1917
01:41:26,140 --> 01:41:24,260
your alien super advanced species off

1918
01:41:28,960 --> 01:41:26,150
your planet with the Lightspeed

1919
01:41:31,870 --> 01:41:28,970
experience you're like trying to deal

1920
01:41:34,330 --> 01:41:31,880
with different other planets you know

1921
01:41:35,950 --> 01:41:34,340
that's where that's where I am I'm just

1922
01:41:37,750 --> 01:41:35,960
like thinking about all this like I was

1923
01:41:41,740 --> 01:41:37,760
like some kind of super-advanced Jungian

1924
01:41:44,860 --> 01:41:41,750
alien race with this kind of Lightspeed

1925
01:41:48,310 --> 01:41:44,870
technology of my own planet what would

1926
01:41:50,470 --> 01:41:48,320
have what would I do exactly I'm gonna

1927
01:41:53,950 --> 01:41:50,480
leave you with that Martin than that

1928
01:41:56,590 --> 01:41:53,960
nice to see you Howard all right thanks

1929
01:41:57,960 --> 01:41:56,600
for the call thanks for the show all

1930
01:42:03,120 --> 01:41:57,970
right

1931
01:42:12,190 --> 01:42:07,990
I I love that people search and enjoy

1932
01:42:15,640 --> 01:42:12,200
thinking about it and it kind of works

1933
01:42:19,150 --> 01:42:15,650
in with with father I really want of my

1934
01:42:23,170 --> 01:42:19,160
my main mission in my book it isn't to

1935
01:42:26,320 --> 01:42:23,180
persuade everybody that it's us from 50

1936
01:42:29,410 --> 01:42:26,330
years in advance or a million years in

1937
01:42:32,320 --> 01:42:29,420
advance it's more that I think we've

1938
01:42:35,360 --> 01:42:32,330
kind of dug ourselves

1939
01:42:39,410 --> 01:42:35,370
we're in an abyss currently in a mini

1940
01:42:44,930 --> 01:42:39,420
Dark Age and I want our human spirit to

1941
01:42:47,180 --> 01:42:44,940
reawaken when when Buzz and Neil walked

1942
01:42:50,120 --> 01:42:47,190
on the moon the whole world stopped and

1943
01:42:54,410 --> 01:42:50,130
watched them and we're a species that

1944
01:42:57,080 --> 01:42:54,420
needs to reach out we do so much kind of

1945
01:43:01,640 --> 01:42:57,090
bickering and dickering here and social

1946
01:43:04,280 --> 01:43:01,650
media and computers we've gotten so much

1947
01:43:06,200 --> 01:43:04,290
kind of into ourselves we need

1948
01:43:09,680 --> 01:43:06,210
challenges I don't want to sound like

1949
01:43:12,410 --> 01:43:09,690
JFK but we need to do it because it's

1950
01:43:15,620 --> 01:43:12,420
hard not because it's easy and if we if

1951
01:43:18,530 --> 01:43:15,630
we imagine something it usually comes

1952
01:43:21,140 --> 01:43:18,540
about whether it's fire or airplane and

1953
01:43:24,980 --> 01:43:21,150
I think we'll get the key to time travel

1954
01:43:29,510 --> 01:43:24,990
but even if we don't we're going to go

1955
01:43:33,680 --> 01:43:29,520
on into the future until we don't and we

1956
01:43:38,780 --> 01:43:33,690
need to reawaken our connection to you

1957
01:43:41,000 --> 01:43:38,790
know ancestors inspire us maybe a great

1958
01:43:43,490 --> 01:43:41,010
great aunt survived the Irish Famine

1959
01:43:45,650 --> 01:43:43,500
came over to Ellis Island that's an

1960
01:43:48,830 --> 01:43:45,660
inspiration to a woman today to be

1961
01:43:51,740 --> 01:43:48,840
strong and there's a bridge also to our

1962
01:43:54,380 --> 01:43:51,750
descendants and we've totally ignored

1963
01:43:56,630 --> 01:43:54,390
that nobody even think I mean we love

1964
01:44:06,080 --> 01:43:56,640
our grandchildren but that's as far as

1965
01:44:08,600 --> 01:44:06,090
we go we kind of severed the future we a

1966
01:44:10,790 --> 01:44:08,610
lot of times we you know we we forget

1967
01:44:13,130 --> 01:44:10,800
just a couple of generations away we

1968
01:44:16,310 --> 01:44:13,140
have no idea what that was about

1969
01:44:19,670 --> 01:44:16,320
you know ahead of us that's right until

1970
01:44:21,260 --> 01:44:19,680
you know there's genealogy study now the

1971
01:44:24,260 --> 01:44:21,270
Internet is really a wonderful tool for

1972
01:44:26,810 --> 01:44:24,270
that but you know prior to that it was

1973
01:44:29,360 --> 01:44:26,820
you know was just looking up records and

1974
01:44:30,710 --> 01:44:29,370
you know no details of someone's life

1975
01:44:33,400 --> 01:44:30,720
you know that's all it's just kind of

1976
01:44:37,730 --> 01:44:33,410
gone in the abyss unless someone has a

1977
01:44:40,250 --> 01:44:37,740
documented it but anyway so where can

1978
01:44:42,940 --> 01:44:40,260
someone find your book it came out what

1979
01:44:45,840 --> 01:44:42,950
was it the first of February yes

1980
01:44:52,540 --> 01:44:45,850
it's on Amazon both Kindle and paperback

1981
01:44:58,660 --> 01:44:52,550
and it's only $15 at 500 dollars or $15

1982
01:45:04,620 --> 01:44:58,670
15 well you can rest it now we're at the

1983
01:45:10,600 --> 01:45:07,660
to go to my website earth change

1984
01:45:13,360 --> 01:45:10,610
prediction dot-com and contact me that

1985
01:45:15,340 --> 01:45:13,370
way and thank you I enjoyed it

1986
01:45:17,050 --> 01:45:15,350
all right excellent all right everyone

1987
01:45:19,390 --> 01:45:17,060
so thanks very much for listening

1988
01:45:22,000 --> 01:45:19,400
tonight and we will be back next week

1989
01:45:23,350 --> 01:45:22,010
with Dave Marlar and I want to thank

1990
01:45:26,020 --> 01:45:23,360
everyone that helps out with the show

1991
01:45:28,700 --> 01:45:26,030
and remember to keep your eyes to the